Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Boris' new Routemaster designs unveiled
Here it is, one design is by Aston Martin, oooh that'll make all those city boyz abandon their Porsches and hop on a bus!
Here are TFLs pages on the new designs and runners up
Here are TFLs pages on the new designs and runners up
Tags for Forum Posts: TfL, buses, public, routemaster, transport
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I'm not really sure what you are trying to say.. that TfL and the mayor should capitulate to the criminals who dodge fare paying? And a costly capitulation it will be too.. Where's your 'Dunkirk spirit' gone? ;o)
No the answer isn't to change the vehicles, it is enforce the current laws as they stand.. That TfL and the Mayor are unable to do that.. speaks volumes for them..
I know I go on about Germany.. but I live here and I see and experience the differences between here and there every day. Did you know that throughout the country, that means everywhere - we have an 'honour based' system of fare collection? Brits are always amazed by it, on their first trip here.
I'm sure reading the linked article will give you food for thought.
Oh and BTW, I see this move to bring back Routemasters as all part of a Euro-Sceptic plan to set Britain and in this case London, apart from the rest of the world. The day's of Empire are over.. it would be good when some politicians would at last realise it.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Let's take the worst figure I could find for the cost of fare dodging on London's busses - £1 million a week and rather credulously call it somewhere near the mark. London Underground lose £25m a year to fare dodging. Now when Boris came in one of his first acts was to scrap the £32m a year in free diesel that London was getting from Venezuela. £52m, £25m, £32m... obviously piffling amounts of money as far as London Transport and Mayor Boris are concerned.
Morally I find fare dodging somewhere along a long between sharing music and evading taxes.
Now if I get away with fare dodging does that make me more likely to go on to commit more serious crimes? You are not going to be able to prove that, nobody can.
I'm not saying that the test of safety of a bendy bus is whether or not someone has been killed on one, I am saying that you can't say they're any more dangerous than a double decker bus because that's pretty much the worst thing you can do on a bus (apart from blow the bloody thing up).
Fare-dodging is a small part of our general moral decline and breakdown of society.
I just wanted to print that line all by itself.
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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True, but like any evasion it isn't fare to the folk who do pay. I too have not paid occasionally (years ago) for whatever reason (mainly due to the train being there and seeing a large queue for the tickets) but there is a smug part of me that smiles inside when these evaders do get caught and fined.
Some people think there is a free lifestyle out there, there aint!
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Permalink Reply by Caroline on
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Well said Liz.
I was also pleased to see the end of the Routemasters and thought that those who mourned their passing could never have actually had to travel on one, and certainly had never had to get on or off with bags of shopping and small children. I'm not a big fan of the bendy buses, but it is because I am convinced that they are slower rather than becuase I don't feel safe. I have had many unpleasant and frightening experiences on double deckers - the worse on a 29 is a slight feeling of nausea due to having travelled all the way to Trafalgar Square backwards.
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What's this? A propaganda photo?
A 'Bendy Bus' doesn't need a larger turning circle than a normal length bus as far as I know. There must be another reason why the bus is in that position. Most probably another vehicle that had been removed by the time the photograph was taken.
IMO, this whole 'bendy bus' argument is a clear indicator of how neurotic Londoners and I would say, Brits in general have become..
Articulated Buses work perfectly well everywhere else in the world. London isn't any different to anywhere else.. so what's the problem?
No this is just a tory propaganda ploy.. what a shame so many people have fallen for it..
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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" London isn't any different to anywhere else.. so what's the problem? "
Well actually it is. The streets are narrower and the turns sharper - often due to pavement widening work to accommodate several baby buggies abreast :-)
Bus stops have not been re-positioned to cater for the longer buses so that when they stop they often block sideroads and infringe yellow boxes. I quite like them as it happens but more thought should be given to which routes they are used on.
And - oh yes, fare dodging is theft and the dodgers are thieves taking money out of the pockets of fare-paying passengers.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Absolutely Steve!
I am astonished that you of all people Matt would fall for this Evening Standard pleasing nonsense. We have no background to this picture at all and for all we know, some idiot in a white van or some air head in a 4x4 (am I stereotyping? you bet) cut him up and forced him into that position. There are numerous times when I've seen double deckers wedged across the traffic, particularly at Turnpike lane, bringing traffic to a standstill - people crossing on the green man , and forced to weave dangerously between buses and cars to cross.
I do not then extrapolate from this that buses should be removed from the road at enormous cost to avoid this.
The bendy bus thing was just a typical piece of London nonsense, because everyone likes to moan about life here. These buses operate all over Britain and people don't get their knickers in a twist over them. The Tories played a canny game at picking up on these ridiculous ideas and got themselves elected, fair play to them.
It is telling that it was transport that was a key element in winning the London election and I believe it is an issue that will continue to decide the future of the city. If we continue to have knee jerk reactions based on no evidence to innovations, we have only ourselves to blame if we end up in gridlock in our lovely shiny cars going no where.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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BBC London 'In Pictures' :)
Whilst I can see why some choose to see the bus question as a political party battle ground, I don't think it serves the need for informed debate amongst Londoners very well. It tends to cloud judgement and lead to unecessary ranting. :)
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That was very reasoned considering how I feel about this. I'll say it again, eliminating bendy busses means MORE diesel engines on the road and MORE people waiting at bus stops unable to get on the bus that just arrived.
Fare dodging is something we will have to put up with if we want the 17 second stop times that the bendy busses average.
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" Fare dodging is something we will have to put up with if we want the 17 second stop times that the bendy busses average. "
Bendy buses are good because bendy buses stop for only 17 seconds - this is made possible by facilitating and tolerating fare dodging - therefore fare dodging is desirable ?
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I follow this issue very closely Matt. I have even gone to the trouble of looking at the figures for accidents involving bendies and the costs of replacing them. I would suggest that I am in fact very informed on the transport issue, which I happen to regard as an essential part of the transformation of the urban environment which as you know I am very involved in.
I do wish that when someone has strong, well informed opinions on a subject they would not be accused of ranting. I am certainly not doing that and putting little emoticons next to your comment does not temper the insinuation that I do not know what I am talking about.
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