Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Fallen fences -- can we ensure they rebuilt according to code?
I know there was another thread about damage to the Harringay Passage, but it seemed to focus on razor wire and council politics (fair enough).
Can I start a new thread specifically about ensuring the rebuild happens in accordance with current building codes?
I haven't measured yet, but the fence between Duckett and Mattison roads appears to have been built over 6ft tall with a single wythe of bricks:
From what I can understand of the regs, at any height 1450mm or taller (about 4'9") it would need to be at least 1.5 (325mm) bricks thick:
https://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/fencesw...
Call me an infantile product of a nanny state health and safety culture if you like, but our taxes pay folks to test these things and come up with safety recommendations which are then encoded into the building regs for a reason.
I understand the regs were probably different back when this was first built, but can we ensure the rebuild happens to spec?
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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Looking at the photo, the wall opposite that survived the wind is 2 bricks width illustrating your point and it is much older than the one that crashed. I'm all for health and safety regulations particularly when walls/ fences border a public path that serves as a route for schools. Health and safety rules had to be fought for and it annoys me when people sneer at them.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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It looks as if it may have had a couple of pillars two bricks square, in quarter-measures of the length. Can't quite see from the chaos. Could this be a new improved Tory light-touch regulation?
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Permalink Reply by CanadianMichael on
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"Dear Mr Maquire,
I have been advised by Building Control that the rebuilding of the wall does not require Building Regulations consent. However we have emailed the attached documentation to the resident in respect of building brick walls. I understand that Building Control will be writing to the owner separately regarding the condition of the wall still standing."
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Permalink Reply by tigha on
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What I do know, is that the wall in your photo which is still upright( at the moment) is my wall-
2 things
As both my fences have been knocked down in the storm, I have made enquires what would happen if my wall gets blown down like my neighbours- in the photo
well it seems the council might be responsible
But the issue is we have so many burgleries in this area, most walls are at least 6 feet high, tressling and barbed wire etc on the top- the council arent going to be bothered about maintaining any of it
So yes health and safety could go mad, but really people need to be sensible and take responsibility.
my opinion is if you and your kids are out in the horrendous storms we had last friday week night- you are bonkers and responsible for any mis adventour that happens to you
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meanwhile my poor neighbour.
is frought with worry about what to do and how to cope =
I mean with the worry,how she is going to fix it, fund the wall being built, she has the worry of easy access for burgleries to her house meanwhile, knowing she was only broken into 2years ago
sorry but sod health and safety- these are your local neighbours lives who are being so badly affected
INSTEAD
how about a bit of campassion and how you can help this neighbour!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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Might be worth your neighbour checking whether the wall is covered by any buildings insurance? Just possible...
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Of course you're right, it would be bonkers to be out in the storm.
But concern for one's neighbour and an interest in ensuring that walls that adjoin public spaces are built safely go hand in hand -- there's no "INSTEAD" there.
Poorly built walls fall on people even when there's no storm. In this case the storm seems to have highlighted what may be a problem.
What if the wall had fallen into her yard rather than out? What if, weakened by the storm, it fell the next day, when she was out there? Or on someone else on the way to the school next door?
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I have just spoken to my neighbour and advised her to check properly whether the wall is actually the councils property- She is also contemplating putting barbed wire up as she was burgled recently by someone jumping over what was her 7foot fence in broad day light and breaking her back double glazed window
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