Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Hewitt No Right Turn 'Trial' Norification
Just had an email from a council officer about the Hewitt no right turn 'trial'. Implementation will go ahead in February. I took the opportunity to respond with particular focus on release of road traffic data after the end of the 'trial' in 6 months. My response has apparently been passed on to the project engineers responsible. See below, from bottom up.
Lets see what happens in June!
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Dear Justin,
Thanks for the message and suggestions about offsetting bad feeling which can arise over these issues. I also note the point about sharing information from the traffic counts
I have copied these points to the project engineer to explicitly consider when setting up the counts etc.
Yours sincerely
Greville Percival
Frontline Consultation
London Borough of Haringey
Level 2, River Park House, 225 High Road,
Wood Green, London N22 8HQ
Tel: 0208 489 1326
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From: Justin Guest
Sent: 10 January 2014 16:49
To: Percival Greville
Cc: Cllr Bevan John; Karen Alexander; Justin Guest
Subject: RE: HEWITT ROAD - NO RIGHT TURN
Greville
Many thanks. First let me state I support this initiative, always have.
Second, the council were a little backwards in coming forwards during the range of consultations conducted with statistics of road traffic counts, how they had been obtained, and the plan for further analysis as part of the ‘trial’ that this was originally described as. Please, for the sake of community harmony (much disrupted as part of this discussion) can you ensure that once the results of the 6 month post ban count have been collated and analysed can they be made public.
Third. I assume that because this is a trial there will be a round of discussion to assess any impacts on neighbouring roads? (NB I am a Pemberton resident).
Finally, while I support this initiative, I do not support piecemeal interventions and would request that a full traffic count be carried out on all Ladder roads with an analysis of possible options to alleviate use above any ‘mean’ use of roads such as Warham, Wightman, Pemberton, Hewitt, Beresford and others.
Many thanks
Justin
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From: Percival Greville [mailto:Greville.Percival@haringey.gov.uk]
Sent: 10 January 2014 16:03
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: HEWITT ROAD - NO RIGHT TURN
Dear Resident or Business,
This is to let you know that following our recent Notification the Council’s Executive Management Board (Cabinet) has approved the proposal to implement the no ‘right turn ban’ from Hewitt Road into Green Lanes. .
We plan to implement the ‘no right turn’ in February 2014. Traffic counts will be carried out 6 months post implementation, with the findings reported to Ward Councillors and the Executive Management Board (Cabinet). We will also conduct visual observations and take into account observations submitted by residents during this 6 month period.
If you have any additional comments, please email us at this email address: frontline.consultation@haringey.gov.uk
Thank you for your attention,
Yours sincerely
Greville Percival
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Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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This is a permanent change isn't it, where are you getting the word "trial" from? It was done with a perament traffic order and they haven't mentioned anything about it being a trial in those emails to you.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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I used 'trial' carefully, as I followed your comments on this previously Ant, but the 'consultation' documentation I saw state it was a trial... Honestly, I am not clear if it is permanent or not.
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Sorry to bring this up again, but FYI - someone reading this thread contacted the council asking whether this was a trial or a permanent change, and they forwarded me the council's response, which said:
"I can inform you that the scheme is permanent in the sense that it will remain unless it transpires that there is justification for not continuing with it after the six month trial period."
The response included the guys phone number so i phoned up to ask him about it and he confirmed that the change was done with a Permanent Traffic Order, so was permanent, and that if anyone did ever decide it wasn't working then it would need to be fixed by a new change and following all the UK Traffic Management Order processes such as new statutory notifications and all that. So not so much a trial at all!
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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Ant perhaps you are worrying unnecessarily. Surely the wording of the notification conveys the meaning that the change is a trial: 'visual observations', 'traffic counts', observations submitted by residents' ?
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Well, thats the opaqueness of all this isn't it, who the hell knows?
A while back in the email reported to HoL from Tony Kennedy, in charge of transport at the council, he told us this Hewitt no right turn was being done using a permanent traffic order.As i understand it the only legal way to make changes to street traffic are controlled by UK law under either permanent, temporary or experimental traffic orders, each having clear legally defined process and requirements. Temporary traffic orders are used for things like road works. An experimental traffic order automatically reverts to the before state after 6 months unless a permanent traffic order is done.
A permanent traffic order makes a permanent change and requires formal public consultation and statutory notification. Once a permanent change is done then it is done and the council and ward councillors have no power to change it other than with another permanent, temporary or experimental traffic order.
So after Tony's email saying this is a permanent change and no one of any authority denying this is a permanent change i expect the wording of the emails about getting 'visual observations', 'traffic counts', observations submitted by residents' etc is just a sop to placate those against the change.
Anyone have any evidence against this?
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