Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
First £1M house in Harringay soon?
One of the most recent sales house sales in Harringay, an admittedly unusually large house wasn't far shy of £900,000. Prices over £700,000 are now not uncommon and +£600,000 has become an expectation.
Will 2013 see Harringay's first +£1M house?
Good thing or bad?
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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David - An interesting thought, but I think you are being overly generous to the poor. I mean, a converted warehouse would be enough, surely? And, after all, no need for baths, as they would just put coal in them. I'm not sure, in these hard economic times, when we're all feeling the pinch, having to cut back on the Bollinger and visits to Ascot, that we can afford more in council taxes to subsidise the indigent. And how is it that you have an "idle moment"? We wealth-creators in the economy are always busy generating economic (and we can all see from the excellent growth figures that Mr Osborne has been talking about how well that is going!) gains for our proud nation. Don't forget, David, it's shoulders to the wheel, because we're all in it together - though not, of course, in the bath together with the indigent and their coal!
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Permalink Reply by CanadianMichael on
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I understand the buyer is even a Harringay Online reader... :-)
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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If he's Canadian, then welcome! I did wonder about pointing publicly to the price paid, but I figured that this is information that will very soon be in the public domain so didn't feel I was betraying any confidence. I do hope I haven't made a questionable decision.
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Permalink Reply by David Barry on
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You should know by now Hugh that ALL decisions are questionable; particularly when they are disclosed on HOL. There is always someone along in a bit to question it, whatever it is.
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As you say, it's all public domain anyway. Heck soon the UK will probably -- like Sweden -- end up publishing everyone's tax returns too....
We are currently converting the house back to being the single family dwelling I believe it once was. For us, part of that involves the making the whole house liveable, so in the process, we're also aiming to renovate it to Passivhaus EnerPHit standard to make it easier to heat (previously large rooms had to be closed off in winter) and less draughty. We probably won't make it down to the point where it doesn't need a boiler anymore, but we're looking to reduce heating by 75%.
We moved from Fulham from a house which was a bit over 1/3rd the size and slightly more expensive.
My own property philosophy is that the Harringay Ladder is extremely poorly located with respect to noise and smoke from steam train tracks and urban coal fired power stations, which is reflected in its lower price compared to e.g. Fulham. Literally the "wrong side of the tracks"
Fortunately other than the odd Cathedrals Express there are no more steam trains and the nearest coal power plant is now an art gallery. :-)
In my opinion, the modern day "wrong side of the tracks" in London is being anywhere near an airport landing corridor -- with the Heathrow 3rd runway looking likely again, it's only a matter of time before West London realizes this.
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Right with you there on the "wrong side of the tracks" and steam train issue, CanadianMichael. By the way, do you know my old friend CanadianJack? He used to live around these parts in the old days, when a hackney carriage could be had for a decent price. Don't forget, in your ambitious plans, to leave some space in the garret for servants' quarters! Or, at the least, put up some kind of shed at the bottom of the garden, where they can live with the fairies.
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'Servants quarters' -- that's right up there with Titles and Knighthoods -- 'inconsistent with democratic values' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_titles_debate ). I'm afraid you're just stuck with us job-stealing immigrants moving into the neighbourhood with our own imported value systems.
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I just had a look at the EA pics. It looks like a superb house - and that garden along the river - wow!
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That river seems to be more of a pond these days. Do they turn off the flow through the canal whenever there is a lot of rainfall that otherwise fills the reservoirs further below?
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I think that'll just be temporary as a result of the cleaning work they're doing on the tunnel under Hewitt.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on
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70 Beresford Road, London N8 0AJ
A short, recent history.
We were interested to see that second on the list of properties for sale is 70 Beresford Road at £780,000. (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-35016034.html)
This was, of course, a property which was the subject of a High Court Order in 2005 after a vigorous campaign by local residents, the LCSP and Haringey Councillors, and the owner being the subject of a successful landmark prosecution on various counts, heavily reported in the local press.
It would appear that with the changes in the values of properties on the Ladder that there is an intention to revert to the original use of the property as a bona fide single family dwelling, rather than as a rental property with a fast changing occupancy.
In 2005, the property was illegally converted from a single family dwelling into 9 bedsits and the High Court Order is in place to prevent the property from being used or sold as an HMO, in keeping with the planning policy which applies to the Haringey Ladder, an area over-saturated with conversions, legal and otherwise. To quote the High Court Order the property is to be used as "a dwelling house ... by a single person or by people living together as a family, or by not more than six residents living together as a single household ...".
Haringey Council issued a Press Release on 19 April 2005 as follows:
Haringey Council obtained a High Court Order last Friday, April 15 [2005], preventing a property development company letting a residential house on the "Haringey Ladder" as a house of multiple occupation.
The property had been effectively converted into nine bed-sits with lockable doors on every bedroom and key meters for the gas and electricity supply.
Company director, Mr Elias Boukourakis, told the Council he owned the house and wanted to extend it and put in additional shower rooms for his family use.
A planning application was submitted in June 2004 to install new dormer windows and convert a loft of the 5 bedroom, two bathroom family house to create two extra bedrooms at the residence at 70 Beresford Road, N8.
Alert neighbours however reported to local councillors that extensive works were being carried out to other parts of the property.
Houses on the "Ladder" are subject to special planning controls prohibiting conversion into bedsits due to parking pressure and problems providing off-street parking.
Enforcement Officers inspected the site in February and discovered rooms had been reduced in size, six new showers and toilets had been installed, and the large family living and dining rooms had been reduced to make way for toilets and showers.
Further investigations also revealed that the house was owned by Limestone Properties Limited, a property investment and management company of which Mr Boukourakis was sole director and shareholder.
Mr Boukourakis and Limestone Properties Limited denied the allegations at the hearing at the High Court on 15th April but gave an undertaking they would not let the house, market or sell it for use as a house in multiple occupation without planning permission.
They were ordered to pay £2,500 towards the Council's legal costs and could be in contempt of court and liable to a fine or imprisonment if found in breach.
Robin Payne, Assistant Director, Enforcement, said: "we do not have to wait until a breach of planing permission has occurred before taking the necessary action. If there is evidence of an intended breach we will act expediently as this case clearly demonstrates. It is essential for homeowners to avoid costs of conversion, loss of rent, and devaluation in the potential value of the house."
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It's a substantially easier trip to make back to France than it was to get to Canada in the first place... http://www.civilization.ca/virtual-museum-of-new-france/population/... ;-)
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