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Finsbury Park - Easter Saturday

I'm aware that the number of staff for our parks has been (or is about to be cut). Judging by the state of Finsbury Park over the last couple of warm weekends the staff have already gone.  The litter problem seems to be worse nearer the Seven Sisters/ Blackstock Rd gate, perhaps because of the traffic to and from the funfair.

 So here are a couple of radical ideas for the council to cope after the staff have gone:

1/ Tax. I had a discussion with a couple of HoL members on Twitter this week about taxing fast food outlets for the cost of clearing up. If it's a problem with funding for litter clearing them surely the cause of the problem should contribute to the clear up.

2 Parking Charges. It costs 50p to park for 2 hours in Finsbury Park. This seems too cheap - how about increasing this to £2 an hour with the money invested in clearing the park.

3. Encourage the people organising the funfair to run a litter sweep.  It's part of the licensing agreement for music events in the park that the event clear litter so why not the funfair ?

4. Close the park. Seriously, it's a lovely park ruined by people. Close it and you remove the need for staff and reduce the litter. Problem Sorted. 

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Permalink Reply by Neil van der Knutsen on April 27, 2011 at 12:05
I've seen the only one man cleaning the park last few days. Is there no more cleaners?
Permalink Reply by linka on April 27, 2011 at 13:24
It's getting close to being a public health issue at the South-East corner now - it really stank as I passed through at 10 am and crows are now picking apart all the bags.
Permalink Reply by Liz on April 27, 2011 at 13:29

I expect I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs here, but you can contact parks direct here on the council website with your complaints and concerns.

Invite them to read this thread perhaps and look at the photos?

Permalink Reply by Nigel Lupton (luptonn) on April 27, 2011 at 17:00
Good idea Liz.  I did send some feedback after a park visit on the 16th April but I've logged this problem and linked back to this thread.
Permalink Reply by Liz on April 27, 2011 at 17:01
That makes two of us so far then :)
Permalink Reply by Alison P on April 27, 2011 at 21:58
Ditto (will post). Glad to hear most of the rubbish has now gone.
Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on April 27, 2011 at 18:19

Can I suggest that as well as using the website, people may want to forward a copy of their complaints (and the replies) to ward councillors representing adjacent wards.

For Finsbury Park the ward councillors are: Seven Sisters: Dhiren Basu; Joe Goldberg; Claire Kober. St Ann's: Zena Brabazon; David Browne; Nilgun Canver. Harringay: Gina Adamou; Karen Alexander: David Schmitz. Stroud Green: Ed Butcher; Katherine Reece; Richard Wilson. For each councillor the format for emails is: firstname.surname@haringey.gov.uk

Photos may be helpful too.

And so would compliments for cleaning and maintenance done well by the Parks staff. Very often, people who do the dirty work are not only lower paid and given lower status. They are overlooked, barely visible, and sometimes taken for granted. Until of course things go wrong.

Permalink Reply by Omotn on April 27, 2011 at 19:23
Untilless of course things go wrong
Permalink Reply by alex on April 27, 2011 at 22:15

The Haringey Friends of Parks Forum petition against the massive cuts to parks maintenance is now on their website, so people could also take a copy to the park next time they visit and collect some signatures to send in.  Their press release gives more detail.

The text of the petition is

NO TO CUTS IN HARINGEY PARKS!

No cuts to staffing, maintenance budgets or site depots.

Support our Parks workers!

We the undersigned are extremely concerned about, and object to

  • the slashing of local park budgets by over 50% (£1m)
  • the threat of drastic cuts to the number of staff working in our parks.  Staff are currently being consulted over compulsory redundancies - we send them our support
  • plans to close a number of parks' depots or lease them out to street cleaning teams

We believe this will make our green spaces unsafe, and return them back to the shocking neglect of the 1980/90s.  We call on the Council to halt the plans.


Permalink Reply by Liz on April 27, 2011 at 23:12

Thanks Alex

You can also grab a copy on HOL posted as .doc 

Permalink Reply by GK/OD on April 28, 2011 at 0:10

People are putting stuff next to the bins it seems. Obviously the bins  are not big  enough.

I think living in an Inner City we`ll get this as different cultures are used to different kinds of what we would call Waste management.

I know from an Egyptian friend of mine that a lot of things thrown on the streets during his time there before he left Egypt and came to Harringay was recycled by the next morning by the poor.

If we love our diversity and inner city life I think we have to accept different behaviours with regards to many things.

Or don`t live here

But a caveat...The Local Authority still have a responsibility in this although a difficult one   

Gordon KeenanPermalink Reply by Gordon Keenan on April 28, 2011 at 9:42

Now that ......is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read.

You're presenting that rational as an arguement in support of equality & diversity....Are you being serious ?

We don't need to expect any such 'behaviours' and where exactly do we go next with that kind of logic. ...Do we suggest that we actually need to create our own 'poor' rat infested zone and enable a new class of 'London citizen' to come out in the night and eat from our wasteful filth !!!

We are not a third world country and people come to Britain precisely to find an environment that is hopefully an improvement on that from which they came. We do not send tanks onto our streets to manage our citizens...are you suggesting that we should learn from other nations on this point as well !

Tolerance of other cultures... .Yes of course, absolutely.....but that has nothing to do with the issues in hand around Finsbury Park and elsewhere. Are you seriously suggesting that those who have commented on these pages in recent days are actually intolerant nationalists ? i really do think you need to sit down and re-read what you have put forward.

To suggest that we shoukld accept the crap in Finsbury Park on the grounds of equality and diversity just has to be the most misplaced logic I've ever read on this site !! 

Astonished I am .... Gordon K

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