Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Bus ride through Green Lanes
On Sunday I did four Bus trips on a 29 Bus - Wood Green to Warren Street
Visiting my brother in UCLH - Hospital
What a eye opener - could not believe the changes in Green Lanes
As do not drive through Green Lanes these day's normally
Aware of large numbers of residently property either side of Green Lanes
But could not believe the number of Resurants / Eating houses
And those offering Jewelry -
Really has changed over the years - around 15 when I used it Enforce
it with Street Trading
Sitting @ back of Bus could not get over the number of users that make
No effort to pay / swipe card etc
Herd comments about I wonder if the Enforcement Team will be visiting today -
This is the only Route I have been on - with a Bendy Bus
Really can not see how it pay's operator -
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Permalink Reply by Mr Growbag on
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It seems that TFL are planning to put doubledecks back on the 29 route by the end of the year (see footnote to this release by TFL), so I'm assuming at least initially they're going to replace the 29 with generic modern doubledeckers rather than the new Routemaster. Therefore should be no additional conductor cost on this route (for the time being anyway).
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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@drazub Conductors only working only in rush hours..? You mean from 06:00 - 10:00 and 15:00 - 19:00?
Have you ever considered what it's like to have to work 11 hour days with 4-5 hours in break in the middle..?
Up till the 1980s, London Transport paid crews for that time-off. The duties were known as Spread-Overs, but I doubt if Boris is planning on doing that.
@Mr G Arriva LN were awarded 2 year extensions on their contracts for 29/N29, 141 & 329 on 15/01.2011. There's currently no exact date for the change to D/D apart from 'Sometime in 2011'.
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Hi Stephen.
Do you think the date range for implementation is likely to change then? I was just speculating that if it does happen in 2011, there won't be new Routemasters available to serve the 29 route...
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I actually think the 29 is probably 'too suburban' and too long to be allocated the (sic) 'Routemaster'. More like routes such as 9, 11, 24 and perhaps 507?
As a matter of interest, Arriva LN now have to purchase 40+ new D/Ds for a contract that only has two years still to run.. As they say.. 'What a way to run a bus service!'
Who knows if Arriva LN will keep the contract.. The Bendies still have a few more years life in them.. I could better understand replacing them with D/Ds when they are life expired.. but as usual, mixing politics with public transport, has caused this rather strange situation.
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Do you not think that Arriva LN might be able to sell on the bendies or use them elsewhere though? Don't know what other cities they run buses in, but the bendies are pretty new and could surely be put back into service with a respray (and ripping out the Oyster readers). Or is this not how bus companies operate? They'll surely be planning to claw back some of the value of the fleet if they can...
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Permalink Reply by Melvyn on
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i have to use the 29 on way to work and it's MUCH pleasanter experience than the filthy 221 going to North Finchley... some of those buses are medieval in their filthiness...
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Permalink Reply by Jenny on
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A favourite subject of mine, the buggy. Back in the days of the Maclaren buggy, I was a single mother and buses didn't have space for buggies at all. We took the child out of the buggy, folded it up and carried both onto the bus – as well as all the shopping, making sure to leave a hand free for the toddler. I managed fine for years. What has happened in between to make mothers unable to remove babies from buggies?
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Permalink Reply by Germana on
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Drazub, I have a Maclaren too (I also have a bigger one for various reasons - not because I love big things, just because it'seasier to maneuvre with one hand if it's raining and I'm holding an umbrella, etc...but I try to avoid using it when I plan to take a bus).
When the bus is crowded and moving it's not totally straightforward to hold on to a baby (who might be sleeping) or toddler (or two) and fold the buggy, get your shopping and any other bags you are carrying (food, changes of clothes, etc) and try not to fall in the process. Even more complicated if perhaps you are also heavily pregnant.
It is certainly possible to do it, but it's extremely inconvenient and at times dangerous. And in any case bus drivers simply don't let you board the bus if there are 2 other buggies on a double decker bus, and you often don't even have the chance to say you plan to fold it.
Simply put, while you may think it's been fine for you, this inconvenience is what puts a lot of parents off using public transport and makes them think you absolutely can't live in London without a car if you have kids.
I have so far been able to not buy a car despite having one child, but when I'll have my second child, if the public transport situation gets any worse, I'll have to start using the car sharing at the very least (hopefully I won't give in and buy a car, but I am sure lots of other parents will, and this will increase traffic levels and pollution - and then there are people who can't afford cars anyway and they'll be left stranded).
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@Germana Since the beginning of this debate on articulated buses, it's nearly always been women, especially those with kids, who've always pointed out the benefits of these buses and wanted to keep the 'status quo'. This really is a question of mobility for mothers with buggies.
@Will Hoyle is always banging on about how good 'his underground' is, compared to other capital cities. If it were possible to take buggies onto the whole underground system, it wouldn't be a problem removing the bendy-buses. Unfortunately, that's not the case. In my city, most of the underground (80%) has now been converted to allow use of wheelchairs and buggies on the trains. Some lines fitted out are also over 100 years old, but are not as deep as some London stations.
Perhaps it would be an idea for the banks, who received much London tax-payer support should, as a recompense, start contributing to a scheme of fitting out the remaining underground stations with lifts etc. ?
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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I also remember the days of small Maclaren buggies, and trying to grab a boisterous toddler in one hand, pick up the baby from the buggy in the other hand trying not to upend the buggy at the same time, folding the buggy with the other hand, while carrying the shopping in another hand. Unless you had four hands and were built like a bus it was absolute hell. The small buggies were always tipping over and provided no comfort or warmth though they were much handier to manoeuvre and stow away. There are never enough spaces for buggies or prams on buses and I feel sorry to see so many parents with babies left standing in the cold and rain.
Ever tried single handed taking a baby in buggy, a toddler and a bag of shopping down the escalator of the tube? A bit like the krypton Factor, the conundrum to leave the buggy at the top and carry the toddler and the shopping to the bottom, then leave them at the bottom to then retrieve the buggy at the top. I took the Blanche Duboir option and relied on the kindness of strangers.
More access for parents and wheelchair users is urgently needed.
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Last year the Camden New Journal said it would be next year!
"Party bus" seems beyond euphemism. Can't come a day too soon as far as I'm concerned.
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