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PLEASE HELP an A-Level Geogrpahy student by completing a survey on regeneration and gentrification on Green Lanes
Hi Harringay Online Community, I am an A- level student who is currently struggling with limited responses from survey on regeneration in Green Lanes. It would be extremely beneficial if you all can please fill out my Google Form. This takes no longer than 3 minutes, it's important that I have a variety of answers for my Coursework. Also anyone can partake in this Google form you don't have to live on Green Lanes to complete this.
Thank You so much !https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1jsNJi204wwm1bICKMexMsS...
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Permalink Reply by TheresaA07 on
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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1jsNJi204wwm1bICKMexMsS...
THIS IS THE LINK!
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Hi Theresa, the scale switch on question 8 might lead to a few response errors. Good luck.
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Done! I did a Geography degree many years ago and it is great to see someone doing this at A level. The great thing about geography is that place means so much to people, but in different ways. You can see this from all the lengthy replies on here which show you have chosen a topic people feel strongly about. My geography knowledge must be out of date by now, but it looks like regeneration/gentrification is still a hot topic. I hope you find the responses to your questionnaire interesting and keep going with Geography. Good luck!
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Happy to help out, but a couple of questions.
When you ask, "Do you live on Green Lanes or in the local area of Green Lanes?", what area do you mean to indicate by "the local area of Green Lanes". There is no such neighbourhood as Green Lanes. Green Lanes is a street running from Stoke Newington to Enfield. The neighbourhood either side of Green Lanes between Finsbury Park and Duckett's Common is and has always been Harringay. Do you mean Harringay, or are you seeking views from areas further afield such as Hornsey and West Green?
Also, I'm not clear what process of regeneration on Green Lanes you are talking about. Do you have in mind a certain period, or certain things that happened that you equate with regeneration?
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Permalink Reply by Cat A on
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I echo this! Theresa, you've got to remember, some of us are well old and there's been various waves of regeneration over the years, so it's not clear what you're looking for answers about
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler
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Hugh - You are confusing names and areas. Gentrification is a process that occurs in an area; it pays no heed to the local names for the areas. As to the definition of gentrification, it is not a question of what a person equates with gentrification, but what her studies in A level Geography have told her the process is. Gentrification is a process whereby middle class people move into a formerly working class area because properties are cheaper; and in the process force people who are less well off to move to cheaper areas (in the case of Green Lanes, to the east, towards Tottenham). The most visible signs of the process are a rise in property values, and a general smartening up of the area; greasy spoons are replaced by new cafes/restaurants such as has occurred in the last 12 months in the part of St Anne's Road from Green Lanes to the hospital site. In the general area, I see no signs of "waves" of gentrification, just a steady surge from west to east. Watch out for an acceleration of the process in St Anne's Ward, once the infamous corner site, Tottenham High Road/Seven Sisters Road is redeveloped, which people with an overweening regard for a building of no architectural merit, and those with a vested interest in a cramped and squalid Spanish market, have delayed for decades. Once that happens, gentrification will be able to jump the High Road, proceed east and join up with gentrification east of the railway line.
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I don't think I am. I'm using a name to describe an area. However, you seem to be confusing regeneration with gentrification - not necessarily the same thing (although they can often be related).
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Gentrification would be when the regeneration of an area leads to an exodus of poorer residents and an influx of wealthier people. What happened, famously, in Islington from the late 1960s has already happened in Stoke Newington, and could occur here within the space of a couple of decades.
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Done. Best of luck with your studies Theresa.
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Permalink Reply by Ruben
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I have lived in the area for 25 years, give or take. I am not sure what do you refer to by regeneration. Still the same kebabs, still betting shops, we've seen a few independent food venues appear (and some disappear), but that's the same as in every other high street.
We still have the same victorian conversions (of dubious legality, but welcome as they brought more council tax in), a large number of HMOs,.... Only now we have some blocks of flats (like Altitude) which increase density of population in pockets completely out of tune with the rest of the area (Victorian terraces) and without provision for additional dentists, school places, etc.
If you go a bit north into Wood Green, we've had shops like M&S or Thornton's disappear. I think that gentrification may be too strong a word for Green Lanes.
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I think you are wrong about the change in commercial premises along the Harringay stretch of Green Lanes; and about the failure to provide dentists, GP surgeries etc. It is clear from an observation of the area that there are new facilities appearing. As to school places, the number of new pupils coming into the system each year is declining, so there would be no need for more school places. The closing of M&S (and BHS) is occurring everywhere, as M&S loses clothing sales to El Cheapo providers like Primark, and increasingly closes larger stores in favour of smaller ones, with a concentration on food, where it retains an edge. I'm not sure the loss of Thorntons is of any importance.
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Theresa - I am a geography graduate, so I know what you mean by gentrification. I would suggest that in terms of the area covered you limit it to one block on each side of Green Lanes. You might also wish to define the part of Green Lanes you are interested in. I would suggest you include the section of Green Lanes between the northern boundary of Finsbury Park and the junction with St Anne's Road. It is apparent that there is a disjuncture between the area to the south of St Anne's Road, and that to the north. Of course, you might want to extend your study as far as Turnpike Lane in the north, but I would suggest that is more complex. There is a difference between the part of Green Lanes north of St Anne's, and that to the south. I have lived in this area since 1989, and have watched the slow process of gentrification. In my view, in the last five years, the tide of gentrification has "jumped" Green Lanes. It can now be seen progressing along St Anne's Road to the east, in a move to link with the gentrification occurring at the western part of the former hospital site. When I was a research student, way back in the late 1960s, one of my fellow students was researching gentrification in Islington. I think he primarily used property prices in each road as a guide to the degree of gentrification. He had maps that showed roads which had been gentrified, those in the process of gentrification, and those about to be gentrified. Can you check the correct URL? It doesn't work for me. If you are seeking the views of residents as to whether gentrification has occurred or is occurring, that is different from whether gentrification _has_ occurred. You can see different responder to your post are judging gentrification on the basis of their views and prejudices, and not in any objective manner. The response of Ruben in particular is unhelpful, and shows a clear failure to understand what gentrification is. There is confusion between the residential streets, where the process clearly is occurring, and the town centre parts between Turnpike Lane and Wood Green. In the town centre area, there are the forces at work that are there in every town centre in Britain, as people shift their purchases online; and town centres try to survive by switching from being shops to being restaurants, cafes, etc. Wood Green High Road, a part of Green Lanes, is at an early stage in the process; needless to say, not least because of the incompetence of our friends on Haringey Council.
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