Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Recycling or landfill?
My girlfriend just followed a waste lorry down Green Lanes. She's not wierd or anything, she was on a bus... however, she noticed all the recycling sacks being chucked in to the same lorry as the rubbish. No separate compartment, just chewed up with the rest.
Now, being middle class and angry a lot of the time, I find this a bit disturbing. Anyone else notice this/know anything about it?
Now, being middle class and angry a lot of the time, I find this a bit disturbing. Anyone else notice this/know anything about it?
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Jimbo, wouldn't surprise me. Was it trade waste (ie. from the shops etc)? Did your gf notice whether it was a Haringey Enterprise rubbish truck or not? Reason being that commercial waste is responsibility of the businesses themselves and they can use any waste contractor they like. However, Enterprise is the council's 'nominated waste contractor'.
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Make a complaint. Phone Haringey Enterprise on 020 8885 7700 and ask for the Commercial Waste manager's name and email address. Then you have everything in writing.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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They sometimes use what must be specialist waste lorries to collect recycling and it is sorted at a depot, rather than at the vehicle. A year or two back there was a lorry with a lot of sorters sorting domestic recycling on the vehicle itself. I have not had this from my house for a long time though.
While possibly easier and cheaper, apparently there is a lot higher proportion of the waste collected via the dustbin wagon type way (up to 25%) ending in a landfill because it gets contaminated.
I always try to collect paper for example) in a separate plastic bag to keep it together and hopefully stop it getting covered in what ever other gubbins in in the mix that would see it sent straight to L/F rather than being recycled. Not sure if there is much more we can do...
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Permalink Reply by murat akkulak on
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Well spotted. I actually witnessed the same thing for residential waste, a number of times, on (dont know the road's name) the road leading up to Harringay train station from the Old Ale Emporium. They were throwing all the recycling into the same truck.
People spend alot of time and effort being careful to seperate their recyclable waste from other rubbish (washing jars, cans etc) - for it to be treated as refuse is annoying to say the least.
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Murat
Rest easy. That's the way recycling is done in Haringey and many other areas of the UK now. No need to sort your recycling so carefully! The recycled material gets sorted at Greenwich I believe or a similar site by a very large sorting machine.
Jimbo, maybe this is what your gf saw?
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Permalink Reply by Jimbo on
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How curious. What a strange way of doing things. Surely the cross contamination makes the whole exercise pointless. On the other hand, I suppose it means one lorry rather than two.
I shall look in to it further when time allows. Until then I shall keep washing out my bottles and cursing under my breath.
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No, there are two lorries; one for rubbish, one for recycling which takes all recycling for sorting elsewhere. The recycling lorry also has a separate compartment for green waste. The green waste gets sorted at the North London Waste Authority site (or there are plans to) which I think is somewhere up near Ikea - who probably recycle your green waste into fashionable but cheap lava lamps.
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Permalink Reply by andy thomas on
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I think some of it goes to SELCHP in Deptford. If you ever get a chance to visit this facility on a London Open House weekend, do so as it's really fascinating (if you don't mind the stench, wearing a hard hat and are not frightened of heights or walking underneath massive furnaces, that is).
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Permalink Reply by Omotn on
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In November of 2008 I corresponded with former Cllr Haley on this subject. Part of his reply is included below. I never took up his invitation to meet officers which I guess has now lapsed! Has anyone seen this process take place whereby compacted waste material is separated into different materials. I don't think I'd belive it until I;d seen it.
The mixed-material system that is being introduced across Haringey and many other boroughs offers an efficient method to collect a wide range of recycling, including plastic bottles and cardboard. For this reason Haringey is introducing mixed-material facilities for housing estates and blocks of flats, and as mentioned above we are changing over the public bring banks so that they offer the same level of service to those residents needing to use them.
However, this collection system also offers benefits in terms of a reduction in the number of vehicles that are needed to serve all the sites, which has obvious benefits when we consider the carbon footprint of the Council’s own operations. This is because the recycling can be compacted in the vehicle to make the best use of the on-board space, enabling each truck to service more sites before it needs to be emptied. This is particularly notable on the mixed-material green box service, where we are also able to collect food and garden waste at the same time by using specialist dual-compartment vehicles. This has enabled Haringey Council to capture much more recycling than we ever could previously, and thanks in part to the level of convenience the mixed collections offer to residents, we have seen increases in participation in our green box recycling services of over 10% in some areas when it has first been introduced.
I hope this has clarified matters for you, I feel that it would be a good idea for you to come and meet with officers to discuss your concerns further, please let me know should you wish to set this up.
In the meantime, if you would like some more information on how the different types of recycling are separated from each other through the mixed-material system, please take a look at the step-by-step guide that is available on the Greenwich Council website at:
http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourEnvironment/RubbishRecycl...
You can also now view a video of the sorting process called “What happens to your recycling” on Islington Council’s website at:
www.islington.gov.uk/recycling
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Permalink Reply by Harringay Birder on
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This is all well and good but now that bin-weighing is out (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10251696.stm) what is to be done to stop householders - my neighbours, for instance, piling plastic bottles, cardboard and all sorts of other stuff into landfill?
They have apparently no idea what the different boxes for and even fill the green food waste box with un-recyclable rubbish. . .
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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All Haringey Waste is taken to Edmonton Incinerator
Where it is Burn't and Generates Electricty - which is fed into National Grid
Saving import's of Fuel Oil & Gas
Did see a TV programme - where some borough's was reporting Collecting for Recycling
But found it Cheaper to tip it than sort it prior to TV Exposure
There are No facilities for Trade to Recycle any Materials
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