Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Should other Haringey residents give Local MPs their personal views on the Gaza Tragedy?
I've begun composing letters to our local MPs David Lammy and Catherine West about today's BBC news on Gaza and linked issues. I suggest that other HoL members consider writing or emailing independently with their own personal messages, with their thoughts and feelings on the topic.
To be precise the news item I listened to also referred to the expected visit to London of the President of Israel. It reported too, on a massive leaflet drop on Gaza City calling on all residents to move south to a supposed "safe" area. Despite this news bulletin describing the lack of water and food there. Also reports from a few Gaza City residents that they have family members physically unable to move.
That news bulletin also included "experts" who claimed that Israel was not practising genocide. And that the Israeli Attack Forces were targeting buildings and not people.
To be fair to the BBC's own journalist, she did press hard on these various "expert" claims.
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Permalink Reply by Markc
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IDF snipers admit targeting civilians https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-...
People from other countries joining the IDF then committing murder. How you can justify this?
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How you can justify this?
Someone who deems The Guardian outside of its arts section as credible and authoritative is someone who is an unserious person and, quite often, and ignoramous.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton
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Hello Mark Michaels. But I don't understand the meaning of the comment you posted earlier. Please help me out - or if you want to accept another way to of saying it - assume I am an unserious person and an ignoramus.
The Guardian reprinted some data on civilian deaths in Gaza, sourced from the Israeli Government. Was that data from a specialist Department of unserious statisticians and ignoramuses? A second report about the shooting of two Palestinian brothers appears based on a careful and complex investigation, Are the two snipers ingnorant? Or is it the two brothers?
Or perhaps its their grieving family members who are unserious?Or maybe you think the whole scenario belongs in the Guardian Arts Section as a play acted out on the streets of Gaza and which everyone concerned should now stand up and take a bow?
Or am I being absurdly unserious in the extreme and failing to see an obvious factual reality? That whatever supposed facts and or evidence are offered you prefer to dismiss in favour of an interpretation which supports the Israeli Government - Come what may? If that's your plain honest truth then I'd welcome hearing it from you yourself in print here.
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Mark Michaels - you really come across as a nasty little man.
You criticise people quoting the guardian, but are happy to cite the old testament as an accurate, reliable information source. Do me a favour.
Saying that everything that contradicts your view is propaganda doesn't make you right.
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I also don't believe that many people who are now condemning Israel are supporters of Hamas and have condoned their actions. However, many supporters of Israel's retaliation seem to take pleasure in the killing of residents of Gaza. Some of the comments I have seen are grotesque.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter
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THE recent actions of Netanyahu's government—in attacking Doha and trying to kill some members of Hamas—appear to have (deliberately) scuppered any talks of peace or ceasefire, for the foreseeable future.
How reckless is it when one party to peace talks actually bombs the other party in situ in another country?
It implies bad faith; even Trump was moved to utter a few words of chastisement.
It's unlikely to happen, but were the US to halt military support to Netanyahu's government, the killing might reduce, even if the bitter hatred on both sides continues.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Capozzola
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Iris.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said.
It’s all true what you wrote and not enough people can see this.Bravo
Mike Capozzola
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Total agreement with another HoL member is of course your prerogative, Mike. But it doesn't add anything new to this thread, does it? The Mike Capozzola website says you're Italian-American and a comedian who's visited many countries. Have you experience in Palestine?
I was never in Gaza - which was administered by Egypt when I worked briefly nearby. But many years ago I made very short visits to Palestinian towns and areas and remember only welcoming courtesy.
Do you know the work of your fellow New Yorker the historian Norman Finkelstein? He made a five year study of Gaza before the Hamas atrocity. More recently he gave an update talk at a church in Missisippi which you may find illuminating.
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I’m a proud Italian American Jew, originally from New York and living locally in Crouch End.
I’ve been to Israel four times and was about to visit again on October 8 2023 when Hamas committed their brutal, barbarous cowardly act of terrorism, murdering and raping farmers and concertgoers of all ages.
Nothing good, can come from treating Hamas with anything but a firm hand that decisively removes them from the face of the earth.
as a side note, I just want to make it clear, separately that I deplore Donald Trump.
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Today is September 11th, a reminder of what the Islamist terrorists stand for and why Israel is fighting them. We arm and support the Israelis because they are fighting on our behalf.
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I'm typing this on ll September around 11am. I'm very disappointed that some contributors to this thread have not avoided personal insults. (Though personally I am too old to bother in the slightest about people calling me silly names.)
At the same time, I am pleased that people have been honest in frankly revealing their emotions and biases. Hopefully that enables us all to read and understand our neighbours a little better.
Although I'm unsure of the point in continuing this thread much further. I hope Hugh as our admin will consider leaving it here as a record and source for future learning. If nothing else we can now have doubts about former UK politicians expressing "unequivocal support for Israel". And why bombing a peace conference is insane.
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… personal insults. ~ it was Margaret Thatcher who said,
I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
And, it's sometimes said (often misattributed to Churchill) that The first casualty of war is truth ~
In this context, we can prefer to believe journalists (and outside organisations), or to believe statements from a government at war with some of its neighbours.
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