Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Passage - is it safe for women?
I walked through H Passage this morning from Fairfax to the next road, towards the Salsibury direction(what is it again?) and was about to enter the passage when a tall man ahead of me stopped in the passage and was looking down and fiddling with something(?) and looked at me as if waiting for me... I therefore turned round and walked out of the passage and waited for a bit, then I peeked round the corner and he had walked a bit further and stopped and was looking in my direction again.... what was he up to and why? Was he lurking? Was he a flasher? Was he up to no good or was it all totally innocent?......... Women have to weigh all this up... I was not about to put myself in the position of being alone in the passage with no one else about, but him lurking there....anyone else see him? I waited for a bit and then looked again and he seemed to have gone.......... so carried on walking through.
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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Apologies deleted mu above thread by accident:
If you want to ignore certain members of our community and use outdated, stereotyped, feminist opinions of men, feel free although incredibly ironic isn’t it that you feel you must make sweeping statements as you have done yet that is what you dislike in certain people.
Striving for equality is the ultimate goal here not sticking to gang or tribal attitudes. It’s plainly obvious that you view this as a womyn only issue so the rest of the vulnerable in society can go jump. You would get more overall support if you didn’t have exclusive opinions and thought about all of the community.
I shall leave you to your exclusive discussion.
SB, Feminism, in the old sense is outdated, I am an believer in equality, plain and simple and I believe in women's rights possibly more than most women. I also believe that men should not be tarnished due to a minority, and the same can be said of women. The angry feminist sometimes hampers equality as they look down on men. I don't look down on anyone and I expect to be treated that way in return.
If I started a debate about domestic violence on men, it wouldn’t be too long before we were talking about domestic violence on women, the subjects are closely related.
"I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers" : )
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Permalink Reply by Sapphireblue on
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....sigh....again the usual dismissive stereotype - any woman sticking up for women's issues is always characterised by men as some kind of hairy bra burning feminist AND of course angry. Sorry Birdy but I'm not angry, as I said I'm proud to be a feminist whether you think its 'outdated' or not, and I will stick to my opinion that women are not equal in terms of physical size or fear of rape and freedom to walk wherever they like in the same way that men are and if you don't like me saying it, I will say again - you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine - who you like as a result is not my concern....
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Isn’t it strange how you mention “Hairy and Bra-burning”, no one else? Men are not all potential rapists, as what is taught in Womens Studies at my University, yes we are all vulnerable.
I stick up and fight for Human issues, which include women. I am not a ‘Manist’ as I am a “Humanist” it the true sense of equality as issues effect us all.
I respect your opinions very much so, and understand the huge contribution feminism has made to society but we are all human and we all need to be treated with dignity and on a an equal level; of which still doesn’t happen all too often and in respect to both genders.
If you ever fancy chatting more on this issue as I feel I have exhausted air time on this, feel free to come to the next HOL drinks and I will buy you a small glass of Babysham (joke – runs for cover!!!!) and you can give be a clip around the ear.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Yes it is fine for you to take care and I completely sympathise with your fear (it's not something you've been conditioned to as you grew up it's an evolutionary response to what follows a significant number of rapes, pregnancy), but I still disagree that it's fine for you to post your fears about a vital piece of Harringay on HoL. Notice that a recent potentially predatory male was looking at victims walking to school along Wightman Rd when the Passage is choc-a-block full of kids and adults in the mornings and is therefore a lot safer than many other ways to get to school.
How about - "Harringay passage - how can I feel safer about using it by myself?"
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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Saphire could you explain a bit more what you mean by the "dumbing down from the male community out there" and how you think it is "normal".
I'm pretty sure if i hinted that women were normally 'dumb' i would be immediatley jumped on (rightly) by folk.
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Thats an interesting projection - I was not referring to men being 'dumb' as you seem to have read it. Dumbing down referrs to what the male responses have been to my arguments - trying to minimise and deny the problems that exist for women as being specific to them as a a gender and refusing to recognise that women might have a different prespective due to physical vulnerablity and a very real and continual fear of rape. Dumbing down is when you reduce and deny a point made by trying to make out its the same for all. IT'S NOT.
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SB - March, April, July, August - don't you feel you've proved your point and given that 'male community out there', with its merely male logic, sufficient stick. It's the silly season now and we're not up to dealing with all those heavy extracts. Meanwhile the Passage, like the New River, rolls along quietly and unconcerned . . . .
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You're right and I thought I had now - but still the beat goes on... ah well ....
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Permalink Reply by Harringay Birder on
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Sapphire Blue
I am not entirely sure why you are prolonging this discussion as those prepared to give an answer to your question gave it a long time ago. Personally, I see no problem at all with you asking the question you did on this forum but I cannot see what bearing any of the research you posted has on the possible answers. I cannot profess to be an expert in sociology or criminology but one thing I can promise you is that when males get mugged it does not happen in pubs or clubs; it happens in quiet residential streets, especially after dark.
But as I don't live on the ladder, I don't use the passage, so can't say how safe or unsafe it is for women. No doubt if anyone has any unsettling experiences they will post about it on HOL, provided of course they feel personally comfortable with doing so.
Take care
Paulie
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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In an attempt to close the discussion - No, Haringay Passage is NOT safe for women - end of story :-)
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Ha ha John D. that is funny :-)
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Could these two be the phantom flasher and late-night lurker we've been discussing. Sure brings self-exposure to a new level.
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