Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Operation Hayle
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-12-03/police-swoop-on-cannabis-...
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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They would write themselves out of a job if we regulated the drugs market. 50% less crime. Less coppers would be needed. Don't ask the police to make a political decision that could harm their own life chances.
Ask yourself, you've seen the evidence. Then speak to your MP.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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From CNN:"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday."You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."Ehrlichman's comment is the first time the war on drugs has been plainly characterized as a political assault designed to help Nixon win, and keep, the White House.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Answer please. Have you told your MP to lead the move to legalise cannabis ?
What did they say ?
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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I actually believe we should legalise cannabis, but the rules we have now are the rules we have now. I don't want to walk past people openly dealing drugs on the street. It's intimidating. I also don't want my young niece in her school uniform to be offered drugs in exchange for a blow job. It's not the effect of the drugs that's the issue, its the crimanility and anti-social behaviour it brings. And doing nothing while we wait for better drugs laws doesn't solve that problem.
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Intimidating a minor or child abuse are surly what should
be your greatest concern and it's that which should have been
policed in this instant.
Not a plant safer than the alcohol you and many others give to their child.
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If I wasn't concerned I wouldn't have mentioned it but you can't unlink what drug dealers do from how they behave....and that is badly
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Is it okay for my kids to inhale passive smoke from cannabis? After all it's healthier.....? I'd love to know. I would imagine that cannabis doesn't work for everyone.
In my humble opinion it's not the what - it's the how. We are not talking about a pop-up shop here, some friendly guys and some innovative business plans (as we see in some US states).
The only way it will be legalised will be via political routes, which means being active in politics. I can turn a blind eye to use (golly my record collection) - like we do with drunks, but I don't need it rammed down mine and my kids throats. Literally.
As for cost/benefit analyses (the original point) - I think we can pick much bigger battles to justify a waste of public money.
It would bring a lot of tax revenue and yes the evidence suggests go go go. And dominoes pizza would do a roaring trade. But in my opinion this was about the 'how' not the 'what'.
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Permalink Reply by EMC2 on
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Repeating what I said to you in October - (if legalised) ...the Government is unlikely to either enjoy a monopoly or to supply the more harmful drugs. A criminal market will remain. Nicotine and alcohol are both legal but there remains considerable serious organised criminal engagement through smuggling and counterfeiting. I suspect criminals would continue to provide the skunk etc.
In the 1980s when the bank robbers discovered that smuggling/dealing drugs was way less risky and much more profitable than running around the pavements with sawn-offs, drug trafficking took off and bank robberies declined. The current Mr & Mrs Bigs making a fortune out of drugs are unlikely to pack up and retire. Whatever alternatives they choose will likely still cost a fortune to police. You say "Until we change the laws, however, nothing will change" - but things come and go out of fashion, I often read the teenagers of today drink considerably less than my generation.
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So alcohol is legal and kids are doing it less these days. Sublime argument.
Of course control where people can consume, anti social behaviour should be addressed. Drinking in some places is against the rules, smoking in some places is too. That's regulating the market, exactly what's not happening with street drugs.
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FPR. Since you decline to answer the question - " have you asked your MP to initiate a move to legalise the sale of cannabis " I can only assume that you have not.
You prefer to come in here riding your threadbare hobby horse but do not take the obvious first step to remedy, as you see it, the situation.
Of course, if cannabis were to be legalised you would have nothing to moan about.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Not answering comments.. your stock in trade JohnD.
You only answer anything where you perceive that you are 'on top'.
So no holier than thou stuff, please.
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I only answer comments where I believe I have something useful to say, Stephen.
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