Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Gang shooting at Turnpike Pike lane station
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/hooded-gunman-pulls-out-pistol...
Shocking to think what could have happened to any on of those bullets. Let's hope the police actually start making arrests of those gang members selling drugs outside Turnpike Lane rather than just chasing them off.
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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You can disperse the problem all over the neighbourhood, spread it around, push it more underground. You'll have to take police away from burglary duties or increase class sizes or increase council tax etc and build more prisons . Ultimately though the drug industry is one of the biggest in the world and the moment you sack one of its 'workers' somewhere, another gets recruited somewhere else. It's a futile game of cat and mouse.
Local government just doesn't have the infrastructure to deal enforce these really bad laws.
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Permalink Reply by EMC2 on
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Your solution appears reasonable. At first. However the Government is unlikely to either enjoy a monopoly or to supply the more harmful drugs. A criminal market will remain. Nicotine and alcohol are both legal but there remains considerable serious organised criminal engagement through smuggling and counterfeiting. I suspect criminals would continue to provide the skunk etc.
In the 1980s when the bank robbers discovered that smuggling/dealing drugs was way less risky and much more profitable than running around the pavements with sawn-offs, drug trafficking took off and bank robberies declined. The current Mr & Mrs Bigs making a fortune out of drugs are unlikely to pack up and retire. Whatever alternatives they choose will likely still cost a fortune to police. You say "Until we change the laws, however, nothing will change" - but things come and go out of fashion, I often read the teenagers of today drink considerably less than my generation.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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There are loads of escape routes from there in a car and even more on foot.
Where are you looking?
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Permalink Reply by Ian on
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some radical change is needed and the state providing drugs at very cheap cost would seriously degrade the drugs market. The glamour needs to be taken away from drugs usage of all types before habits are formed. At the same time regardless of even the state giving drugs away for free, some people may still desire privacy and not being recorded as a user by the state. start with the objective and then build workable solutions. As for prisioners especially of serious crime I would support more radical methods of imprisionment. I believe the cost to keep a prisioner is extremely high more than the average salary. Partner with 3rd world countries, build prisons there, providing employment, ship them off shore where the cost to tax is considerably less. The prospects of being cut of from their networks apart from email or when family are prepared to pay for flights may be s big deterent more so than the jail time in the UK.
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Send them to Australia! That's the solution.
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Merely drawing attention to the fact that it had been tried before. I think Ian could read some history books rather than RDPD.
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most things have been done before in one form or another. the skill is to build a better wheel, do it differently, and Australia was a one way trip, so it's not the same.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Why not just hang them - so much cheaper
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What do you think?
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I would not have them hanged but what are you saying precisely. I don't want to make assumptions for you.
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You've made plenty of assumptions in the past why stop now? I'm just surprised you haven't seen the potential profit in filling the gap in the prison market - a "buy to let" prison where the inmates get charged rent....kerching
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