Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Would like some insight about anti-social behaviour
As I was walking past Tesco yesterday, past the youths that congregate around there, I was once again so disappointed to see drug deals being made openly on the street. I know that this is not a new problem, but I just don't understand why it is allowed to happen there. All the time.
I'm just wondering if any of you long-time residents of the area could enlighten me on the status of policing the area and why kids can just stand on the high street and deal so openly. Boggles my mind. Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Again I agree with you that alcohol abuse is extremely damaging to society. 20 years ago I was the victim of alcohol fuelled domestic violence so believe me I know. 50% of violent crime is alcohol related. But street dealing is one of those "crimes' which deeply affects quality of life for every day citizens. It fuels a fear of crime. And street dealing comes with consequences. When I lived in Shepherds Bush a man was stabbed on my doorstep over a row about having been sold a stock cube which he thought was black.
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With the amount of responses in defence of drug dealing, it's becoming clear why this dealing out in the open in this community is happening. The whole point of my starting this discussion was that I don't know WHAT is being sold. Drugs and crime go together. Dealing in the open is not necessary. I don't care if people smoke weed or buy it.
The community needs to be able to talk with the police. It's a community. We pay so much to live here. I hardly ever post here, but I'm so in awe of some of the unbelievable comments on a seemingly black and white subject, I don't even know what to think anymore:( This wasn't meant to be a discussion about smoking weed!
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You've hit the nail on the head. Dealing in the open is not necessary. And ignoring its effect on others is not the way to go.
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I don't think it should be regulated. I've already said I think cannabis should be legalised but not Class A drugs. By definition all criminal activity takes place in secret. Criminals don't want to get caught.
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Lovely theory...totally unworkable in practice. How would you propose we get to this idealised state of affairs...legalise drugs first then allow the drug industry to develop these lovely "nice" drugs according to market forces?
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So FPR... putting aside the fact that I can rarely get to see my GP....what if I have no medical need for any of the drugs concerned but just want to get high... how would that conservation with my doctor go?
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And come to think of it, you can't argue that non-prohibition works either when you consider that alcohol is available 24/7 but still causes a huge amount of damage to society.
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Max,
I'm broadly in agreement with everything you've said. My statement that FPRs suggestion was unworkable in practice is based on my belief that there is neither the political will nor the public support for moving from our current set up to a regulated decriminalised drugs market overnight. For me, the only practical way forward would be to adopt the Portugese model whereby possession of all drugs is a civil matter while production and distribution remain criminal. That is a very broad stroke description btw. Moving responsibility for drug policy from the Ministry of Justice to the Department of Health (a Lib Dem policy at the last election) would also be a good start. -
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We know that there are drugs in virtually all communities. If someone wants drugs, they can find them. Turning the other cheek and assuming that it's just harmless weed being sold on our high street is irresponsible to the well-being of this community. If those dealers, who look to be youths (the ones I'm referring to at least) see the police walk on by, how will that affect the community? And not to mention their (the youths) future? I'm no expert, but just guessing that selling weed could just be the beginning for these people. Its not a safe and responsible community that allows and even accepts any drug dealing on the high street out in the open on a Saturday afternoon.
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Well I'm with you, Flowermama.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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What the narcotopologists ignore is the fact that selling these drugs is illegal. If you tolerate the trade in drugs, however " harmless ", you are condoning law breaking. What next ? Is it OK to speed given that very seldom does it result in harm to others ? Is it OK to shoplift provided that the articles aren't that expensive ?
Taking no action against these pushers tells them that they can pick and choose which laws to obey. So where does it stop ?
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Exactly! Well put.
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