Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Would like some insight about anti-social behaviour
As I was walking past Tesco yesterday, past the youths that congregate around there, I was once again so disappointed to see drug deals being made openly on the street. I know that this is not a new problem, but I just don't understand why it is allowed to happen there. All the time.
I'm just wondering if any of you long-time residents of the area could enlighten me on the status of policing the area and why kids can just stand on the high street and deal so openly. Boggles my mind. Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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It's worth putting things into a little perspective when considering use of police resources ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
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I would think things to consider first would be what advertising are children exposed to that lead them to taking up drugs like refined sugar, alcohol and gambling could be a more possible way of limiting harm.
How do we encourage these drugs ourselves might be a good question to first.
Prohibition of drugs that are really a key medicine now (heroin) or life style choice ( coke and heroin ) just is impossible. That's been tried, it doesn't work. In fact it can make things worse.
However social and cultural expectations to all drugs can be changed with great effect.
We need to ask ourselves, how prejudice are we against one cultures life style compared to ours? is that helpful and have our solutions ever really worked very well at all.?
The real risks our children face is alcohol and gambling addictions. Magic mushrooms, the odd line of speed and regular weed habit really are a lesser concern. However how you police certain lifestyles and fail to regulate legal offering can actually change patterns for the worse.
The first anger should be to the fixed betting machines, then to booze adverts before anything in my mind.
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Permalink Reply by Flowermama on
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I totally agree.
If I can dare to go there... I feel very responsible and sad and frustrated when I see the teens that are standing around.selling dope. I suppose getting involved in the community is the best way to feel like we are making a difference. We live in such a competitive, rough society. Parenting is hard and making a legal, decent living is hard as well, I'm sure we can all agree on that.
I would really like to be comfortable walking up the high street with friends and family (especially those that are visiting) without having to pass dealer after dealer. I really don't think that anyone can deny that drugs and crime go together. It's a frightening fact that creates an unsafe community.
I do like seeing all sides of a topic!
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With the exception of describing heroin as a key medicine I agree with everything you say. I'm already training my own child to use alcohol responsibly in the same way I was taught. I was brought up in the continental style where I was given watered down wine with my evening meals from an early age. It taught me that drinking in moderation is not only possible but desirable. And I have already had some quite open discussions with him about the pros and cons of different drugs because the "just say no" policy doesn't work. I want him to be sufficiently well-informed that he can make his own judgements as to what he wants to try and what he doesn't. I am not anti-drugs per se. My responsibility as a parent to give him the tools to make his own decisions. But I think you're underestimating seeing open drug dealing affects everyone else. Just like prostitution on the streets or witnessing violence. When my motorbike got stolen the last time, my son turned to me and said "they're not going to come back for my toys are they, Mummy". At 6 years old he was already affected by the concept of being in fear of crime.
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Again I agree with you that alcohol abuse is extremely damaging to society. 20 years ago I was the victim of alcohol fuelled domestic violence so believe me I know. 50% of violent crime is alcohol related. But street dealing is one of those "crimes' which deeply affects quality of life for every day citizens. It fuels a fear of crime. And street dealing comes with consequences. When I lived in Shepherds Bush a man was stabbed on my doorstep over a row about having been sold a stock cube which he thought was black.
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With the amount of responses in defence of drug dealing, it's becoming clear why this dealing out in the open in this community is happening. The whole point of my starting this discussion was that I don't know WHAT is being sold. Drugs and crime go together. Dealing in the open is not necessary. I don't care if people smoke weed or buy it.
The community needs to be able to talk with the police. It's a community. We pay so much to live here. I hardly ever post here, but I'm so in awe of some of the unbelievable comments on a seemingly black and white subject, I don't even know what to think anymore:( This wasn't meant to be a discussion about smoking weed!
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You've hit the nail on the head. Dealing in the open is not necessary. And ignoring its effect on others is not the way to go.
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How can you regulate a market if you refuse to see it and ensure it exists in a secret place ?
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I don't think it should be regulated. I've already said I think cannabis should be legalised but not Class A drugs. By definition all criminal activity takes place in secret. Criminals don't want to get caught.
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This thread was a critism of drug deals being made openly in the street ..
Look, i don't like any aggressive persons on the street. Often gangs of street dealers exude that feeling. It's not nice. I also don't like anyone being offered or marketed drugs as dangerous as alcohol whether legal or illegal. However our systems of distribution makes illegal drugs something that must be pushed (as opposed to pulled).
Hence why prohibition doesn't work. America chucked billions trying to criminalise people's life style choices. It didn't work. We did also. It didn't work
Why keep trying to bash the pop up frogs? There is an infinitive number that can replace them.
Why not compete with them and provide safer, cleaner, nicer drugs by medical professionals and tax them and use that money to create messages or jobs which challenge the desire to get mangled in that way in the first place.
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Lovely theory...totally unworkable in practice. How would you propose we get to this idealised state of affairs...legalise drugs first then allow the drug industry to develop these lovely "nice" drugs according to market forces?
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So FPR... putting aside the fact that I can rarely get to see my GP....what if I have no medical need for any of the drugs concerned but just want to get high... how would that conservation with my doctor go?
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