Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
no right turn out of hewit road
Hi there, just keeping this one going. There are a couple of weeks left to make objections to the proposals to stop traffic turning right out of hewit road.
As discussed on a couple of previous threads, this could significantly increase traffic heading down Pemberton Road, right next to an Infant school, a junior school and the children's centre.
If you think it's unreasonable to create a situation that directly increases risk to children travelling to these venues then do take a couple of minutes to object. Instructions below...
Send an email to
frontline.consultation@haringey.gov.uk (with 'no right turn' in the title line) outlining your objection.
Whilst it's fine to explore options to redistribute traffic around the ladder...ideas like this which will only result in displacing traffic towards areas of high family footfall is not a sensible one in my opinion.
Cheers
Paul
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Permalink Reply by Paul Harvey on
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Haha - that justification is laughable. This would have no impact at all on the volume of traffic at the Green Lanes/St Ann's Road junction. It would just change the balance between vehicles turning left from Green Lanes into St Ann's or turning right from Green Lanes into St Ann's.
The volume of traffic using that junction as a whole would be exactly the same. There would be no reduction in either noise or environmental pollution.
At the end of the day - that traffic flowing west to east needs/wants to head down St Ann's road. With the closure of Hermitage Road and the blocking off of the Gardens, this junction is all they've got. If people want to get traffic away from that junction - they should really be considering the other options to alleviate pressure on the ladder. There used to be three routes through for traffic, down Hermitage, through the Gardens, or through the ladder and turning in at the Green Lanes/St Ann's junction.
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Permalink Reply by Karen Gorman on
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Have been following this discussion for a while and feel the need to comment. If we all had our way all the roads on the ladder would be access only and whatever proposals are put in place none of us will be happy. We live on Hewit Rd (next to a speed bump). With regards to the safety issue, we should be looking to slow the traffic down, I am fed up with cars launching themselves over the speedbump, making a huge crashing sound, every day I have to adjust all of the pictures in our house due to the vibrations as well as having to sprint across the road sometimes when someone is hurtling down the road at 40 mph! I have a child and will not let him cross our road on his own due to the speed of the traffic. Hewit is the only road I know in the ladder who regularly have a 'traffic jam' - traffic queues past our house (which is halfway up) on a regular basis due the cars wanting to turn right at the bottom. Whatever happens another road will suffer and none of us will be happy, let them do a trial period to see the effect - perhaps it won't be that bad! We should stop this 'war of the roads'. Ant is right - we need to hear from those planning the changes.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I really, really sympathise about the speed hump. They're really not good for your mental health are they. It's not even about the vibration or rearranging pictures and without taking anything away from soldiers who have far bigger issues to deal with, the constant yet random thumping literally drives you nuts.
Traffic jams occur right across the ladder.
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Thanks for the sarcastic response John - you can't say anything on this site without some sort of backlash!
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Karen, I was NOT being sarcastic at all. Not at all. In fact you brought up an important point about why the traffic is such an issue and I supported you on it.
In fact hands up if you've been inspired to comment on this thread if you live within spitting distance of a speed hump?
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Sorry John - obviously being over sensitive ;-)
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I completely sympathise with the woes you describe. It's pretty horrendous having to live on a rat run.
I think it's pretty hopeful though to suggest "..perhaps it won't be that bad..". Where would all that traffic go? I think most of us living in the area know where it's likely to end up.
So - is increased traffic by schools and a children's centre really something you're genuinely happy to support in order to shift traffic off your own road
Really??
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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Paul, I also 'live in the area' & I don't think that it has been proved by anyone where the displaced traffic would actually go - unless you have access to data I haven't seen. Personally I agree with Karen that the no right turn from Hewit is worth trialling. However, assessment of the impact will require use of relevant traffic flow metrics - baselined against current values. On this it seems that only Ant is collecting data - why not the Council I wonder?
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Trials are a good idea. As has been pointed out already however, this is not a trial. A permanent change is being proposed. A permanent change with no consideration for the consequences. ..... that's what a number of us are objecting to Mike.
It is odd that there is nothing from the counci on this I.e. a risk assessment??. Unless they have done one that proves we're worrying about nothing, that shows there'll be no undue impact to those travelling to and from the school's and children's centre? In the absence of anything concrete, conjecture is all we have. Common sense would suggest that if traffic can't use Hewit road to get onto St Ann's road then it will go somewhere, either Beresford or Pemberton, both of which have existing traffic issues of their own (see Ant's counts).
Are people prepared to leave it to chance and push through a permanent change regardless?
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Take your point Paul. I also find it incomprehensible that decisions like these are seemingly made without the relevant data and analysis, particularly where they impact on safety.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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I don't know if there is any truth in it but this is a reason thats been suggested to me:
If they do any sort of survey or counts it will obviously show there will be some increase in Pemberton traffic, by schools.
Doing it like this without any survey they can say they were just doing what the community (which means Hewit RA and people doing the Green Lanes improvements) was asking for and that they didn't know there would be any serious downsides.
If (god forbid) a child gets hit by a car outside school after the change surely it puts them in a difficult legal position if they had any data that could have predicted the increase in danger but they went ahead anyway without warning anyone.Don't know how plausible that is but its probably not in their interests to be able to show an increase in traffic on a residential street so i think they just don't bother looking. Even when they did the Gardens bollards the only survey afterwards was on the Gardens streets to show they now were quieter.
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