Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Possible Illegal use of blue lights
Hi all.
I wanted to ask if anyone was aware of this happening in the borough as i went out shopping this morning and saw at the end of my road a group of Jewish men who were wearing radios on their belts and a woman who appeared to be from two unmarked cars which had blue lights flashing behind the front radiator grill and front windscreen.
I have had a look online and the indications seem to be that this isn't allowed as it could give a false indication to other road users that the drivers may be police.
I was curious to find out about this matter.
Ian
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Permalink Reply by B on
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I've seen those guys a few months back too and also wondered if this was legal.
Would be curious to find out...
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Permalink Reply by ElleCarumba on
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There is a Orthodox Jewish "emergency services" based in Stamford Hill. It is called Hatzola. They run ambulances.
But they aren't official emergency services so they shouldn't be using blue lights
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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So, Ian, how were you proposing to satisfy your curiosity? Other than by posting on a website, that is?
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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If you are genuinely concerned or curious, why not contact the community police team and ask them about it, instead of trying to make this some sort of "scary Jews!" issue?
They were most likely either members of the Shorim, the community run Jewish security/"police" force: who are licensed, trained, and work with the Police and the local authorities to ensure they comply with relevant laws: or Hatzalah, the private Jewish ambulance service.
As you saw a woman with the group, they are more likely to be the Hatzalah than the Shorim. And you can use blue lights on a private ambulance.
But, you know SCARY JEWS!!! There are a lot of us round here, you know. (Don't worry I don't look too Jew-y, so I won't startle you in the street.)
http://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-features/50410/meet-london...
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I don't see any reference to "scary Jews" in Ian's post. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and accept he was genuinely curious, in which case your answer should hopefully help him.
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Permalink Reply by Gerry Platt on
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Pete, I agree.
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There was no 'scary Jews' reference that I could see either and if he hadn't mentioned that they were Jewish men then no one would have been able to tell Ian about the Shorim or Hatzalah - I have also learnt something today so thanks.I have heard lots of 'urban legends' regarding people (up to no good) using blue lights to convince potential victims that they are the police and I would want to be aware if there were any threats like this in our local community. However, as Ian was able to identify the men as Jewish and there was a reasonable explanation for why they would have blue lights then I feel there is no threat and nothing to worry about.
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OK having double checked you can in many cases use blue lights on private ambulances providing they meet certain requirements about being registered as an ambulance with the DVLA. It needs to to have stretcher carrying capabilities and be clearly marked as an ambulance
But if these were normal cars with blue lights, then they aren't going to qualify as an ambulance.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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KaisaJaye, go away and be ashamed of yourself. This is nothing but ridiculous, and quite frankly says more about you than it does about Ian. Says nothing about Ian, actually, as he's said nothing wrong.
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Permalink Reply by Colinloves on
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agree
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Permalink Reply by Takaokagiejin on
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I see this a lot around London and always presume they are unmarked police cars with plain clothes police inside. There is an interesting explanation from Sussex Police here in response to an FOI request
http://www.sussex.police.uk/policing-in-sussex/transparency/informa...
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