Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
With Friends like these .... ?
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Permalink Reply by Joe Bailey on
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Is that not fly-posting?
"Fly-posting is the display of advertising material on buildings and street furniture
without consent of the owner, and contrary to the law."Source: http://kb.keepbritaintidy.org/flyposting/background/policy.pdf
Unless, of course, permission was sought from, and granted by Haringey Council?
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If you read reference 1 of the above document which is "The Control Of Fly-Posting: A Good Practice Guide" you will realise that they took a very abridged version of the definition.
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nonetheless, still fly-posting?
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Clearly we were both confused by each other's posts. I was indeed suggesting it was fly posting, providing a link to an article which also suggests a definition of the term, which would confirm this to be the case.
I suspect if someone were to call Haringey Council, they too would deem this to be fly-posting and would take steps to remove the offending articles, and ask those responsible to cease their advertising, be it for a good cause or not.
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Permalink Reply by tigha on
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of course you could just take it down yourself if you find it offensive- works everytime for me I FIND
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I could have Tigha, and often do - posters for " Get into German" pinned to trees around Hornsey Library for instance - but if a bit of publicity makes the posters get out and face up to their responsibilities then maybe they won't have to be reminded next time.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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As well as posting this request, John, I wonder if you also contacted the Friends of Fairland Park with a polite reminder? They have rather a nice website with contact details for the committee. (Which includes several HoL members who you probably know.)
As you point out, flyposting is illegal unless with the permission of the owner - even for what you describe as a "good cause." Which makes it important for local councils to adopt a "strategic response" as recommended by ENCAMs (Keep Britain Tidy.) I would add that it needs a cheap - or even free - fast-track procedure for granting permission where appropriate. And subject to conditions which don't encourage fly-posting which defaces buildings and street furniture.
A few years ago I posted a small set of photos on Flickr called Fly-posting & better alternatives. It seems to me that local councils and others should find ways to help publicise, for example, local music, drama and other arts events. Perhaps having legal sites for attractively designed posters and banners - possibly by local artists and designers and which add to the streetscape.
But doing his without setting precedents and giving the 'green light' to commercial fly-posters, estate agents' signs, and commercial billboards.
Anyone seen some good ideas?
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Then, John, I'm surprised.
Reading your comments on HoL for several years, I took you for someone who'd at least try a softly, softly approach as a first step. After all it's not as though you're requesting better behaviour from a car thief or a slum landlord.
I'm thinking about this morning's comment from Birdy_Too:
"We're blessed to have such a community focused space on our turf."
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Alan. If my memory serves, my very first post on here years ago concerned a well-out-of-date fly-posted advertisment for the Summer Fair at that same park, long before it was named Fairland, and I have continued to campaign against street pollution at intervals ever since.
Softly softly doesn't seem to work, but the recent post did, as the offending article was taken down within hours ( although they didn't bother to remove the plastic cable ties ).
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I can't find your early post on out-of-date adverts for the Park Summer Fair. Although, yes, you did indeed post - with a photo - about people pinning ads to trees in Priory Lane.
But please let me mention another aspect to this problem. At different times I've done some volunteering. For example, I've been trustee/board member on several charities; a school governor on three schools; Labour Party secretary. I did these things because I believed in them. I wasn't paid. And most of the time I didn't expect and rarely got any thanks. What I did unfailingly get were complaints when something went wrong.
I think we should treasure our community-minded volunteers and forgive them at least some of their minor trespasses on fences. And maybe even volunteer to help them out with small tasks - like taking down out-of-date notices.
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