Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
ITV Leaders Debate ... was it useful?
Did anyone find the Leaders Debate useful?
Did any of the leaders come out better than the others in explaining their party polices clearly?
Has the debate helped you decide who to vote for, if you're currently an 'undecided' voter?
Did any of the leaders come out better than the others in explaining their party polices clearly?
Has the debate helped you decide who to vote for, if you're currently an 'undecided' voter?
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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From The Times;
Nick Clegg seized the initiative last night as the televised drama of Britain’s first campaign debate between party leaders transformed the election.
A Populus poll for The Times gave a stunning victory to the Liberal Democrat leader as he used the limelight of the historic ITV broadcast to devastating effect.
“I know you think that all politicians are the same. I hope I have tried to show you that that isn’t true,” he said at the close of a relaxed and personable performance.
Within minutes, 61 per cent of voters said that he had won the night, compared with 22 per cent for David Cameron and 17 per cent for Gordon Brown.
From Radio 4;
Pollster Frank Luntz: "It was very clear before the evening was over that Nick Clegg had won" #leadersdebate
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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On presence, presentation and handlingTV: Clegg - Brown - Cameron
On solid policy understanding/explanation: Brown - Clegg - Cameron
What's needed: A Brown led Government with Chancellor Cable and Clegg in Cabinet to ensure parliamentary reform and PR/Alternative Vote in the next year or so.
Cameron must be kicking himself - but if Clegg does as well in the next two debates he'll help lift all Lib Dem boats, including those in Harringay, Haringey and Tottenham Constituency.
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It just goes to show the possible effect these leader debates could have on voter decisions come May 6th. Here are the snap polls results from this BBC article;
SNAP POLLS ON THE DEBATE
*ITV: Clegg 43%, Cameron 26%, Brown 20%
*YouGov/The Sun: Clegg 51%, Cameron 29%, Brown 19%
*Channel Four: Clegg 58%, Brown 28%, Cameron 13%
*Sky News: Clegg 37%, Brown 32%, Cameron 31%
Clegg did come across much better than the other two. More professional. Of course he doesn't have the statesmanship experience of Brown. Brown & Cameron shot themselves in the foot with policies that sounded plain daft at times, whereas Clegg rather smartly kept homing in on costed savings that allowed targeted spending elsewhere.
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Permalink Reply by Mr Growbag on
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Clegg carried it on policy for me - he talked through the LD angle on each area clearly and could flesh out each pledge with details and figures. For example, he rallied brilliantly when Cameron challenged the workability of the regional work-visa idea, explaining exactly how it would function in a couple of sentences.
Meanwhile Brown's preferred angle of "I'm the experienced pair of safe hands to manage the recovery" seemed a little like Nick Leeson pitching to be the administrator of Barings and David Cameron's manner struck me as being a little too messianic at times; though as I don't agree with much Tory policy however he presents it there's no chance they were getting my vote anyway.
Think it was a really good debate, excellent at highlighting the ideological differences between the parties. Questions on policy, and proper political discussion with an impartial facilitator/chair and no Jerry Springer-esque audience heckling. Politics is best conducted in an arena that doesn't sound "like a farmyard" (as William Hague described Prime Ministers Questions). Overall, a good night for democracy.
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Well summarised GB. Like you say, Clegg did summarise very clearly and showed that the LDs have some good ideas. Watch the other two go for him next week though. If Clegg still comes out of that well then this is going to start looking very interesting.
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D'ya think? It looked to me last night in particular as if Brown had been briefed to find and highlight common ground with the Liberals wherever possible (while, amusingly, Nick Clegg seemed to enjoy shooting such overtures down in flames - perhaps this may indeed provoke a change of tack by Labour!) I doubt whether either party's going to want to go on an all-out attack on the LDs though, as having them on side may make or break the next government...
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Just Clegg playing hard to get. Sarah needs to work on Gordon's
pullingwooing tactics.
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Brown knows Clegg has to play hard to get. If the Tories don't get 100 or more of those marginal seats (or a 10% swing) then Brown may just scrap through but, need the LDs to form some sort of government. However such a hung parliament situation will mean another election within 12 mths. (that analysis comes from a Radio4 discussion a while back).
But Clegg ain't going with the Tories and they all know that! Cameron didn't look that good last night.
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I wonder why nobody told little Lammy that the Lib Dems are not 'a party that will jump into bed with the Tories after May 6th'. I think that's what he was telling the Geordies and The Mirror at the weekend.
Even 12 months should be enough to get the voting system changed, so Britain may get used to coalitions that last.
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Even 12 months should be enough to get the voting system changed, so Britain may get used to coalitions that last.
Was thinking along these lines too. Assuming they end up sharing power Brown & Clegg would have to get a referendum out fast but when the bill goes through the House of Lords expect them to drag it out with objection after objection.
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