Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
The W1 Bus
This is my proposal for a 'W1' bus route which would be a sort of shoppers bus between Morrison's carpark in Wood Green and the Waitrose carpark in Holloway Rd, here.
Coming back it would have to come out onto Holloway Rd itself to come back up Seven Sisters (via the Odeon!)
I see that TfL have done busses like this before in Walthamstow and I think we could have something very similar.
I think we should go for an hourly service running every day of the week between approximately 9.30am and 3pm, similar to the Walthamstow bus.
I was wondering if coming back (or every second bus or something) it could elongate its route into Campsbourne which is in desperate need of a bus.
I know that some people were dreaming about it being a viable way to get from Harringay Station to halfway down the ladder etc but I really don't think that a service that regular is going to get off the ground and... baby steps.
The online petition can be signed here, please spread it around!
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/27185.html
Coming back it would have to come out onto Holloway Rd itself to come back up Seven Sisters (via the Odeon!)
I see that TfL have done busses like this before in Walthamstow and I think we could have something very similar.
I think we should go for an hourly service running every day of the week between approximately 9.30am and 3pm, similar to the Walthamstow bus.
I was wondering if coming back (or every second bus or something) it could elongate its route into Campsbourne which is in desperate need of a bus.
I know that some people were dreaming about it being a viable way to get from Harringay Station to halfway down the ladder etc but I really don't think that a service that regular is going to get off the ground and... baby steps.
The online petition can be signed here, please spread it around!
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/27185.html
Tags for Forum Posts: W1 Bus, Wightman Road, buses, morrisons, public transport, tfl, w1, waitrose
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Hi folks!
@ Hugh, on relative merits of online and physical petitions: I'm not being dismissive of HOL's power and element of choice in delivering residents' opinion to decision makers. It's just that on Wightman Road alone out of at least 350 houses (and God knows how many households) we have just 53 HOL members. From 1500+ members how many can reasonably be expected to have a Wightman Road bus high in their priorities? We might hope to garner a few hundred, but I think a few minutes face-to-face with residents on or near the WR route would give a clearer picture of likely use of the service.
@ Stephen, those R8 and K1 examples look like real buses - midi rather than mini. Yes, I am caught between two stools - getting a 'proper' bus with something approaching the W5's passenger capacity, yet making sure that the model doesn't add to Wightman Road problems and will fit in with any future traffic calming measures we might get this year or next (especially if those measures included such things as 'pavement build-outs'). Anything between 7.1 and 9.0 metres, rather than a monster over 10.5, might well fit the bill.
@ John, my response last night was a bit brusque - mainly because I thought that a petition just now would be asking people to commit to something which doesn't take account of some of the suggestions made earlier. The W5 shuttles between a Sainsbury carpark and Archway tube stn (with a Co-op just opposite). Would an alternative for the 'W1' be possible, turning left into Stroud Green Rd, stopping near Finsbury Park stn (but not entering the bus station), turning into Seven Sisters, Isledon Rd, Tollington Rd to Waitrose - returning by Seven Sisters etc. ?? Maybe that introduces too many complexities, including getting tangled up with the 29 and other bendy bus routes. And someone mentioned a LIDL link - maybe a bit of a 'class' war here with Waitrose!
I just think we need a few people (?five or six) committed to the idea to sit down and thresh out the route details (with a conference link to Berlin of course), then move to a combined online and door-to-door petition.
As for the Irish ploy of asking for the world and settling for Kilburn, remember sometimes it leads to the Oval Office. :-)
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I can be much more brusque than you can. No worries at all. I was jumping the gun with a big "let's DO something".
I think Stroud Green rd has enough busses (THREE!) and it is a pain to get out of it onto Seven Sisters.
I think it's more likely that we can influence traffic on Wightman with a bus rather than with raised intersections. If you want to make this as regular as the W5 then it needs to be the same size, IMHO.
When and where are we meeting?
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Salisbury or Garden Ladder would be OK by me. Mon-Fri of next week would be fine - but I'm off to Ireland from 3rd till 14th May. I'm not sure who else would like to chip in their 2pworth. We would need to keep Stephen's ideas in mind. Certainly those who expressed any enthusiasm on recent threads should be of the group. We discussed the possibilities, pro and con, at Monday's meeting of WRN4RA. It's really my commitment to the RA that gets me hung up a bit on bus sizes.
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Certainly these four and others expressed enthusiasm/interest:
Michael Anderson(Warham), Guy Bentham(Allison), Anna T.(Seymour, Caroline(Hewitt).
I know John D. will chortle and say, 'Told you so. Not a Wightman Road resident among them!' Working on them, John D.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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"I know John D. will chortle and say, 'Told you so. Not a Wightman Road resident among them!' "
I can't think why you imagine I would say that. I'm neither for nor against a bus on Wightman, particularly since you seem to have dropped the idea of it being a device to slow up traffic.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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oops! you haven't been doing your homework... read John Mc just above
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Sorry Stephen I sit corrected. I'm still not much bothered either way and I don't go in for chortling :-)
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Tuesday next week?
Look, tell your RA that if TfL refuse a perfectly good request for a W5 sized bus down there then you have grounds to get them to take it off their list of "managed roads" and you can have traffic calming up to your eyeballs.
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Tuesday evening's fine for me. You may choose venue and cajole a few others along. Yes, let's think W5-size, at least for application purposes.
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Permalink Reply by Caroline on
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I think that the proposed route is a good one. Selfishly, I am very keen on the idea of the Campsbourne extension, (which would make it a park visitors bus!).
I don't think that a route down Stroud Green Road would work as well: for one thing the Seven Sisters, as it passes the UG station, is a terrible bottleneck and anything that would add to the traffic there should be avoided; and secondly my understanding is that the rail bridge on Stroud Green is too low for even single deck buses to have safe clearance - that's why we have two bus stations.
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@Caroline I agree with you and John that the turn from Stroud Green Road into Seven Sisters Road at Finsbury Park isn't ideal..
I also like the Hornsey Road idea of Johns a lot.. and think that should be pursued..
Regarding the Bridge at Finsbury Park - single deckers always used to run through - the 236 ran through to Stroud Green until 1982.. and the occasional 4 has been known to try - although not without loosing it's roof..
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Yes, you're both right about the difficulties of Stroud Green/FP area, and (as John says) 3 buses already. I was just trying too hard to lock in a Tube/Mainline stn on the route.
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