Wood Green traffic? - Harringay online2024-03-29T01:11:24Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/wood-green-traffic?feed=yes&xn_auth=noNo moralising or finger-waggi…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15411432023-06-02T15:35:30.156ZJames H.https://harringayonline.com/profile/JamesHadley
<p>No moralising or finger-wagging. The world of bikes has changed rapidly in recent years, after all. Witness the remarkable range of (electric) cargo bikes out there.</p>
<p>Worth reading this article, perhaps, as inspo: <a href="https://www.treehugger.com/uk-plumber-conducts-business-by-cargo-bike-5188214">https://www.treehugger.com/uk-plumber-conducts-business-by-cargo-bike-5188214</a> </p>
<p>No moralising or finger-wagging. The world of bikes has changed rapidly in recent years, after all. Witness the remarkable range of (electric) cargo bikes out there.</p>
<p>Worth reading this article, perhaps, as inspo: <a href="https://www.treehugger.com/uk-plumber-conducts-business-by-cargo-bike-5188214">https://www.treehugger.com/uk-plumber-conducts-business-by-cargo-bike-5188214</a> </p> Please skip the moralising. I…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15407412023-06-02T15:05:20.479ZPhiliphttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PhilipFoxe
<p>Please skip the moralising. I drive because I need to carry tools to carry out my work. Otherwise I cycle. In the real world many people need to drive and finger wagging might make you feel morally superior but that's about it </p>
<p>Please skip the moralising. I drive because I need to carry tools to carry out my work. Otherwise I cycle. In the real world many people need to drive and finger wagging might make you feel morally superior but that's about it </p> This might work
ultra_low_ele…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15408422023-06-02T12:49:44.820ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>This might work</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/11279664256?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf</a></p>
<p>This might work</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/11279664256?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf</a></p> I completely agree with you D…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15408562023-06-02T12:12:09.948ZJulieBhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JulieBartley
<p>I completely agree with you Don.</p>
<p>That document sounds interesting Michael, but I can only see the title the document won't open for me. I'm assuming it's a plan for the council to change to electric vehicles, which sounds good to me.</p>
<p>I completely agree with you Don.</p>
<p>That document sounds interesting Michael, but I can only see the title the document won't open for me. I'm assuming it's a plan for the council to change to electric vehicles, which sounds good to me.</p> You might find this document…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15408402023-06-02T10:53:29.955ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>You might find this document useful (especially page 25 onward)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf</a></p>
<p>You might find this document useful (especially page 25 onward)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ultra_low_electric_vehicle_action_plan_2019-2029.pdf</a></p> Rory — Of course there was co…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15409522023-06-02T10:23:17.491ZDonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DonKeller
<p>Rory — Of course there was congestion before LTNs were created; that’s exactly my point! I believe the council has hit the wrong target. In St Ann’s there were only three streets with a rush-hour traffic problem; creating an LTN has changed nothing in the western bit (already some of the quietest streets in the borough) but made residents’ journeys longer and more complicated, pushing local and through traffic onto West Green Road and GL, two of the previously most congested, polluted and…</p>
<p>Rory — Of course there was congestion before LTNs were created; that’s exactly my point! I believe the council has hit the wrong target. In St Ann’s there were only three streets with a rush-hour traffic problem; creating an LTN has changed nothing in the western bit (already some of the quietest streets in the borough) but made residents’ journeys longer and more complicated, pushing local and through traffic onto West Green Road and GL, two of the previously most congested, polluted and dangerous roads in the area. There was no consideration of, eg, filtering at peak times on the three affected roads, or the impact of extra traffic on residents of so-called “boundary” roads.</p>
<p>As I said above, I believe GL is the key problem, which the council have failed to tackle, just as they’ve also failed to lead by example in using EVs, etc. It’s all very well exhorting people not to use cars, but viable alternatives need to be in place <em>before</em> roads are closed, not years later, and that includes making public transport more attractive. Increasing traffic on main roads slows buses as well as private cars, unless there are specific measures to help. In GL, the council could ban parking from Manor House to the Salisbury, create specific delivery spots — and police them properly — and install a northbound bus lane, with bus priority at traffic lights at Endymion, St Ann’s, West Green and Turnpike Lane, as well as working with TfL/DoT to restrict access to/from the North Circular at rush hours. Any or all of this would help GL and reduce pressure for traffic to try to use (now blocked) side roads, the Ladder or Wightman, and encourage people to walk or use buses instead.</p>
<p>Carrot, not stick!</p> Amentag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15407392023-06-02T09:36:05.682ZChttps://harringayonline.com/profile/C394
<p>Amen</p>
<p>Amen</p> I'm not confusing anything, I…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15409512023-06-02T09:34:11.277ZChttps://harringayonline.com/profile/C394
<p>I'm not confusing anything, I'm stating logic and common sense here. I am for the environment, but I do not believe the way things are going I.E. the introduction of these LTN's are helping.</p>
<p>The longer you are stuck in traffic, stopping and starting the more carbon monoxide is being generated. Getting to your point of interest in a quicker manner (not speeding) means you use less carbon monoxide which is harmful to the environment.</p>
<p>I wouldn't mind at all if it was "a little…</p>
<p>I'm not confusing anything, I'm stating logic and common sense here. I am for the environment, but I do not believe the way things are going I.E. the introduction of these LTN's are helping.</p>
<p>The longer you are stuck in traffic, stopping and starting the more carbon monoxide is being generated. Getting to your point of interest in a quicker manner (not speeding) means you use less carbon monoxide which is harmful to the environment.</p>
<p>I wouldn't mind at all if it was "a little extra inconvenience" but every other month this little bit of inconvenience increases in size.</p>
<p>Of course there is not traffic in the LTN's? because the roads are blocked off to these Roads/streets, I don't understand your point here, It doesn't mean pollution doesn't travel if these particular Roads are blocked off, it in turn creates more pollution for everyone else. Have you seen the backlog of traffic down Green Lanes and the Haringey Ladder? surely this extended back log of traffic isn't good for those individuals living within these Roads and streets ? is it good for their health and wellbeing if all of a sudden there is a mass of cars backlogged due to these LTN's?</p> Could you try cycling through…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15408382023-06-02T09:32:28.975ZJames H.https://harringayonline.com/profile/JamesHadley
<p>Could you try cycling through Haringey in future? </p>
<p>Could you try cycling through Haringey in future? </p> As a person who drives throug…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-02:844301:Comment:15407372023-06-02T09:26:54.325ZPhiliphttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PhilipFoxe
<p>As a person who drives through Haringey regularly and has done for many years I can say you are completely wrong. The LTNs have been a disaster and the claim that they exacerbate situations of heavy traffic is entirely valid. But then I only have real life experience to inform me..</p>
<p>As a person who drives through Haringey regularly and has done for many years I can say you are completely wrong. The LTNs have been a disaster and the claim that they exacerbate situations of heavy traffic is entirely valid. But then I only have real life experience to inform me..</p>