Wightman road - surely 6 lane junction at north end creates extra traffic? - Harringay online2024-03-29T11:21:51Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/wightman-road-surely-6-lane?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A200317&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI recommend checking out some…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-18:844301:Comment:2027352011-01-18T19:36:11.882Zmichaelwhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/michaelw
<p>I recommend checking out some of the junctions on the google map!!</p>
<p>There's a great motorway junction on top of Camden, and massive one in the centre of Dalston! They seemed keen to use railways lines as routes - the North London Line & the East Coast Mainline around here.</p>
<p>Those planners.... I remember hearing that the public reaction to the elevated section of the Westway was a key element in killing off most urban motorway plans in London:…</p>
<p>I recommend checking out some of the junctions on the google map!!</p>
<p>There's a great motorway junction on top of Camden, and massive one in the centre of Dalston! They seemed keen to use railways lines as routes - the North London Line & the East Coast Mainline around here.</p>
<p>Those planners.... I remember hearing that the public reaction to the elevated section of the Westway was a key element in killing off most urban motorway plans in London:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westway_" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westway_</a>(London)</p> That fits with the weird desi…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-18:844301:Comment:2027312011-01-18T19:19:40.058Zmichaelwhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/michaelw
<p>That fits with the weird design for that north junction on Wightman....</p>
<p>Here's a detailed site on the plan for Ringways 1-3 (including one further in from here):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/</a></p>
<p>It looks like the direct link with Wightman might be the 'Possible North London Radial', which is of slightly uncertain alignment:…</p>
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<p>That fits with the weird design for that north junction on Wightman....</p>
<p>Here's a detailed site on the plan for Ringways 1-3 (including one further in from here):</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/" target="_blank">http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/</a></p>
<p>It looks like the direct link with Wightman might be the 'Possible North London Radial', which is of slightly uncertain alignment:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/northern/pnlr.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/northern/pnlr.shtml</a></p>
<p>On this google map view it is marked as being to the West of the East Coast Mainline, but given the uncertainty of the route then maybe it was also being looked at on the East? This would have meant demolition of Wightman:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fwww.cbrd.co.uk%2Fhistories%2Fringways%2Fmap%2Fringways-detail.kmz&ie=UTF8&t=k&z=9" target="_blank">http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http...</a></p>
<p>There's a another look at the Ringways (and earlier plans) here:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://pathetic.org.uk/features/ringways/" target="_blank">http://pathetic.org.uk/features/ringways/</a></p> Interesting. Thanks Juliet.tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-14:844301:Comment:2019312011-01-14T12:14:51.529ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
Interesting. Thanks Juliet.
Interesting. Thanks Juliet. There is a history to why the…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-14:844301:Comment:2019202011-01-14T12:01:15.375Zjuliet solomonhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_2khf7ljz34kq0
<p>There is a history to why the Wightman Road junction is as it is, and it has to do with the old GLC plans for "motorway boxes" and Ringways One, Two and Three. Wood Green was implicated in this; if you look carefully, up the buildings, I am reliably informed that you can still see what would have been part of the concrete supports to a massive flyover. If you look through all the old plans you will see what the logic was behind Wightman Road; and the engineer who designed it took the…</p>
<p>There is a history to why the Wightman Road junction is as it is, and it has to do with the old GLC plans for "motorway boxes" and Ringways One, Two and Three. Wood Green was implicated in this; if you look carefully, up the buildings, I am reliably informed that you can still see what would have been part of the concrete supports to a massive flyover. If you look through all the old plans you will see what the logic was behind Wightman Road; and the engineer who designed it took the utmost care (and was very proud of it). Then all the other policies changed. . . . .</p>
<p>The trouble is with projects like this junction is that they have a long lead time, and often by the time the construction is more or less finished, the original idea is effectively out of date. (Sometimes, as in the case of the Wood Green gyratory that, mercifully, never saw the light of day, the long lag saves the day, though). </p>
<p>The way to get round this is wholesale demolition etc., - not a solution many Londoners would welcome - I think most people would rather muddle through trying to improve things as far as possible.</p>
<p>Juliet Solomon (Cllr).</p> @John. Precisely yes - it was…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-10:844301:Comment:2014152011-01-10T22:11:53.624ZDavidJhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/David
<p>@John. Precisely yes - it was the west to east route of choice. You could get directly on to St Ann's road with the right helped by the lights. </p>
<p>Green Lanes was always a very, very busy slow moving road which people would avoid. I know its heresy for a ladder resident to say but I don't think the gardens' closure made such a huge difference.</p>
<p>@John. Precisely yes - it was the west to east route of choice. You could get directly on to St Ann's road with the right helped by the lights. </p>
<p>Green Lanes was always a very, very busy slow moving road which people would avoid. I know its heresy for a ladder resident to say but I don't think the gardens' closure made such a huge difference.</p> @DavidJ - that's interesting.…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-10:844301:Comment:2014112011-01-10T21:54:35.458ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>@DavidJ - that's interesting. Seymour is a road to nowhere now. I can't think of a desire line that it would be on, even the other way... perhaps left onto Green Lanes and right at St Ann's? Back then the gardens were open to through traffic so I can't think that this would have been more of a problem than what Hewitt has at the moment.</p>
<p>@DavidJ - that's interesting. Seymour is a road to nowhere now. I can't think of a desire line that it would be on, even the other way... perhaps left onto Green Lanes and right at St Ann's? Back then the gardens were open to through traffic so I can't think that this would have been more of a problem than what Hewitt has at the moment.</p> According to the Campaign for…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-09:844301:Comment:2012402011-01-09T19:40:46.246Zmichaelwhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/michaelw
<p>According to the Campaign for Better Transport's guide to traffic reduction methods, 20 mph zones do deter traffic:</p>
<p>"<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;"><strong>20mph zone</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;">Traffic calming measures have to be installed so that vehicle speeds are physically restricted to 20mph or less<br></br><strong>Cost:</strong> £60-130,000<br></br><strong>Pros:</strong> Very good at slowing…</span></p>
<p>According to the Campaign for Better Transport's guide to traffic reduction methods, 20 mph zones do deter traffic:</p>
<p>"<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;"><strong>20mph zone</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;">Traffic calming measures have to be installed so that vehicle speeds are physically restricted to 20mph or less<br/><strong>Cost:</strong> £60-130,000<br/><strong>Pros:</strong> Very good at slowing down cars. Improves road safety. Individual traffic calming measures within the zone do not need signing, so visual intrusion is reduced. Self-enforcing. <b>Deters traffic</b><br/><strong>Cons:</strong> May lull pedestrians into a false sense of security with the assumption of safety zone. Requires other traffic calming methods to be installed, which may have their own disadvantages"</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;">They've got a good run-down of the advantages & disadvantages of a wide range of approaches on the same page:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/local_campaigning/online_guides/slowing_traffic/get_busy/traffic_calming_measures#20zone" target="_blank">http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/local_campaigning/online_guides/s...</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20px;">(NB: Just having a 20mph limit without traffic calming is less effective, as there is nothing to stop drivers going as fast as they want to, unless you have external enforcement like speed cameras, traffic police etc).</span></p> John, I accept that on No.3 I…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-09:844301:Comment:2011972011-01-09T16:48:40.431ZOld-Age-Emporium(OAE)https://harringayonline.com/profile/OldAgeEmporiumOAE
<p>John, I accept that on No.3 I was overstating the case for emphasis. Substitute <strong>'whole'</strong> for <strong>'rest of the',</strong> to avoid changing the original meaning. (I agree fully with the point made, as I see you do.)</p>
<p>As for being overly sensitive, no I don't depend on antipodean tycoons' cross words to pass my Sundays.</p>
<p>John, I accept that on No.3 I was overstating the case for emphasis. Substitute <strong>'whole'</strong> for <strong>'rest of the',</strong> to avoid changing the original meaning. (I agree fully with the point made, as I see you do.)</p>
<p>As for being overly sensitive, no I don't depend on antipodean tycoons' cross words to pass my Sundays.</p> Wightman Rd would just need "…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-09:844301:Comment:2011962011-01-09T16:42:43.428ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Wightman Rd would just need "blocking off" at either end and the REST OF the ladder would benefit too.</p>
<p>I don't think that's a valid solution though. I would like to see narrowing to restrict the large commercial vehicles that use ladder roads to avoid traffic lights.</p>
<p>Wightman Rd would just need "blocking off" at either end and the REST OF the ladder would benefit too.</p>
<p>I don't think that's a valid solution though. I would like to see narrowing to restrict the large commercial vehicles that use ladder roads to avoid traffic lights.</p> Probably a crazy idea but I a…tag:harringayonline.com,2011-01-09:844301:Comment:2011922011-01-09T16:21:51.982ZProtheroe O'Sheahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TunbridgeWells
<p>Probably a crazy idea but I am not much of a town planner.</p>
<p>How about gating off all rung roads on the ladder half way up. if you live at the bottom of a rung road you use green lanes if at the top you use wightman.</p>
<p>Make the roads two way. so eresidents could drive in an out, lose the speed bumps as cars could not use them as through roads.</p>
<p>Emergency services have slight problem... hmmmm....</p>
<p>Probably a crazy idea but I am not much of a town planner.</p>
<p>How about gating off all rung roads on the ladder half way up. if you live at the bottom of a rung road you use green lanes if at the top you use wightman.</p>
<p>Make the roads two way. so eresidents could drive in an out, lose the speed bumps as cars could not use them as through roads.</p>
<p>Emergency services have slight problem... hmmmm....</p>