Wightman Road Safety Audit - Harringay online2024-03-29T10:21:01Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/wightman-road-safet-audit?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1426464&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think Bruce Grove and St An…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-05-06:844301:Comment:14264642021-05-06T14:13:57.730ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>I think Bruce Grove and St Ann's were selected partly on the basis of TFL's Strategic Neighbourhoods Analysis <a href="http://content.tfl.gov.uk/lsp-app-six-b-strategic-neighbourhoods-analysis-v1.pdf" target="_blank">http://content.tfl.gov.uk/lsp-app-six-b-strategic-neighbourhoods-analysis-v1.pdf</a></p>
<p>In particular they were the two wards with the highest number of pedestrian and and cyclist casualties.</p>
<p>I think Bruce Grove and St Ann's were selected partly on the basis of TFL's Strategic Neighbourhoods Analysis <a href="http://content.tfl.gov.uk/lsp-app-six-b-strategic-neighbourhoods-analysis-v1.pdf" target="_blank">http://content.tfl.gov.uk/lsp-app-six-b-strategic-neighbourhoods-analysis-v1.pdf</a></p>
<p>In particular they were the two wards with the highest number of pedestrian and and cyclist casualties.</p> Another thing to consider is…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-10:844301:Comment:14102202021-02-10T08:12:57.238ZChristinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Christine95
<p>Another thing to consider is also the amount of very old , well past safety regulations cars and vans which are circulating in Haringey, all bellowing insane amount of deadly fumes which you can smell for a long time, be stuck behind them at a traffic light and you will choke. For me to be behind one of those on my bike is the equivalent of a death sentence. There seem to be more of these offensive cars recently and that include unregulated delivery vans ; I wonder how these cars and vans…</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is also the amount of very old , well past safety regulations cars and vans which are circulating in Haringey, all bellowing insane amount of deadly fumes which you can smell for a long time, be stuck behind them at a traffic light and you will choke. For me to be behind one of those on my bike is the equivalent of a death sentence. There seem to be more of these offensive cars recently and that include unregulated delivery vans ; I wonder how these cars and vans passed the MOT , oh ! But I can guess there us always the cousin or the friend of a friend. <br/> There is also the dangers of walking on the pedestrian paths, narrow and to be shared with bicycles ( nowhere else to safely cycle) and the unlawful motorised scooters ( those think that it’s their right to mow pedestrians) .<br/> These thoughts may not be relevant to the actual topic but I do feel that regulating safety of cars is part of clean streets, you may need one car only to pollute more than 10 clean ones.</p> You can't spend LTN money on…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-07:844301:Comment:14100692021-02-07T12:29:16.597ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>You can't spend LTN money on the ladder because the traffic levels there are too high. Every time the gardens get more traffic calming they become more of a magnet for TfL street calming measures. This all started with local body corruption. We should be outraged about this, the Ladder is being turned into an urban motorway.</p>
<p>You can't spend LTN money on the ladder because the traffic levels there are too high. Every time the gardens get more traffic calming they become more of a magnet for TfL street calming measures. This all started with local body corruption. We should be outraged about this, the Ladder is being turned into an urban motorway.</p> If you didn't want to get sue…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14095932021-02-05T12:12:41.475ZRoryhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Rory
<p>If you didn't want to get sued you could call it good old fashioned corruption, then? But I'm stating clearly that this wasn't the case, just to be clear. Why can't you spend LTN £££ on the Ladder, John? There obviously isn't a better candidate in Haringey. We just need a council/councillors with a bit more chutzpah. A council that has made a clear commitment to lowering congestion and pollution enacting these policies. You know, backing up its empty words with actions. Saying it's…</p>
<p>If you didn't want to get sued you could call it good old fashioned corruption, then? But I'm stating clearly that this wasn't the case, just to be clear. Why can't you spend LTN £££ on the Ladder, John? There obviously isn't a better candidate in Haringey. We just need a council/councillors with a bit more chutzpah. A council that has made a clear commitment to lowering congestion and pollution enacting these policies. You know, backing up its empty words with actions. Saying it's impossible falls at the first hurdle. </p> You need to see how the predo…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14095892021-02-05T12:03:19.184ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>You need to see how the predominantly Labour councillors are chosen for election to understand. The Gardens was gated in 2006 by an ex St Ann's councillor to get just four votes from Labour party members residing in Warwick gardens so that he could be selected to stand again. He was deselected in 2009.</p>
<p>The Gardens attracts more and more money because there are so few suitable spots in Haringey for LTNs because the council insist on facilitating so much through traffic. You can't spend…</p>
<p>You need to see how the predominantly Labour councillors are chosen for election to understand. The Gardens was gated in 2006 by an ex St Ann's councillor to get just four votes from Labour party members residing in Warwick gardens so that he could be selected to stand again. He was deselected in 2009.</p>
<p>The Gardens attracts more and more money because there are so few suitable spots in Haringey for LTNs because the council insist on facilitating so much through traffic. You can't spend LTN money on an area with as much traffic as the ladder.</p> Ha! But then their research i…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14096662021-02-05T11:56:58.836ZRoryhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Rory
<p>Ha! But then their research is hearsay, not empirical. Silly! And it's amazing isn't it, that you could surmise that cycling is now safer on Wightman because of the lack of accidents/near misses, not that cyclists use the road less because it's unsafe and intimidating. Of course, you're confusing correlation for causation. </p>
<p>Ha! But then their research is hearsay, not empirical. Silly! And it's amazing isn't it, that you could surmise that cycling is now safer on Wightman because of the lack of accidents/near misses, not that cyclists use the road less because it's unsafe and intimidating. Of course, you're confusing correlation for causation. </p> Agree, maybe they could have…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14097602021-02-05T11:50:15.599ZDylhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Dyl
<p>Agree, maybe they could have got on a bike and just gone up and down the road a couple of times? They would then know how dangerous it has become. </p>
<p>Agree, maybe they could have got on a bike and just gone up and down the road a couple of times? They would then know how dangerous it has become. </p> Thanks Ant for your comment.…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14097462021-02-05T11:05:44.546ZZena Brabazonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/zenab
<p>Thanks Ant for your comment.</p>
<p>The Council is just about to start contacting people about the LTN for St. Ann's ward. The area of benefit includes the few roads in Harringay ward on the east side -from Harringay Road down to Alfoxton and St. Margaret's Road. These roads are in Harringay ward, but adjacent to St. Ann's which, of course, is why they are included. But we all know the traffic problems in Harringay are on the Ladder side of the road.</p>
<p>I have put in writing, again, the…</p>
<p>Thanks Ant for your comment.</p>
<p>The Council is just about to start contacting people about the LTN for St. Ann's ward. The area of benefit includes the few roads in Harringay ward on the east side -from Harringay Road down to Alfoxton and St. Margaret's Road. These roads are in Harringay ward, but adjacent to St. Ann's which, of course, is why they are included. But we all know the traffic problems in Harringay are on the Ladder side of the road.</p>
<p>I have put in writing, again, the need to plan simultaneously for St Ann's and Harringay. Matt White replied saying he was meeting the officers today about Harringay. There is £5.1m in the Haringey capital budget for LTNs etc from April 2021. I have made the point that whilst the money is there from April 2021, thinking can start now. As far as I know thinking doesn't cost anything! </p>
<p>No doubt more on this to follow! </p>
<p>Zena</p>
<p>Zena Brabazon<br/>Cllr, Harringay ward</p> Thanks for getting hold of th…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14097432021-02-05T11:03:53.816ZPaul Skeltonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PaulSkelton
<p>Thanks for getting hold of this.</p>
<p>Thanks for getting hold of this.</p> Why are you using Wightman or…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-05:844301:Comment:14096432021-02-05T10:49:42.378ZJezzahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Jezza
<p>Why are you using Wightman or Green Lanes when the council has provided you with the perfectly good "Quietway 10"? No kidding this is their official cycle route from Wood Green to Finsbury Park, they even asked TfL for another £1.3 million for it last year.</p>
<p>All you need to do to take this cycling nirvana to Finsbury Park is:</p>
<p>Go north on Wightman all the way up and down the hill to Turnpike Lane.</p>
<p>Head up the hill on the very fancy segregated bicycle lane (that starts…</p>
<p>Why are you using Wightman or Green Lanes when the council has provided you with the perfectly good "Quietway 10"? No kidding this is their official cycle route from Wood Green to Finsbury Park, they even asked TfL for another £1.3 million for it last year.</p>
<p>All you need to do to take this cycling nirvana to Finsbury Park is:</p>
<p>Go north on Wightman all the way up and down the hill to Turnpike Lane.</p>
<p>Head up the hill on the very fancy segregated bicycle lane (that starts after the junction, in case you were hoping to avoid that death trap). </p>
<p>Again head up the hill almost to Crouch End to Harvey Rd. There are no indications that this is part of the Quietway route but believe me it is.</p>
<p>Go left down the hill on the unmarked Quietway 10</p>
<p>Turn left then right onto (again unmarked) Rathcoole Gardens</p>
<p>Go down the hill then turn left and right onto (again unmarked) Uplands Rd.</p>
<p>As the road name implies, you now have a long slow slog up the hill. On your way up you might like to cheer yourself by thinking you are now just as close to Finsbury Park as when you started.</p>
<p>You made it to the top! Now turn right then left onto Oakfield Road and go up more hill<strong>.</strong></p>
<p>Now you get to go down the hill lined with parking and merging roads on both sides.</p>
<p>Once you reach the bottom you can turn left and go up the hill across the mercilessly narrow traffic-crammed bridge and arrive at Finsbury Park.</p>
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<p>Not so bad is it? Your cycle from Wood Green station to Finsbury Park station along Green Lanes would have been 14 minutes and 43ft elevation.</p>
<p>But because the council doesn't want to deal with Wightman or Green Lanes, their suggested (and only) cycle route has 236ft of up hills and 220 of downhills, is unmarked and has no cycle separation. And they want to spend more money on it so they don't have to do something elsewhere.</p>