Where did West Green's Black Boy Name Come From? - Harringay online2024-03-29T10:01:35Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/where-did-west-green-s-black-boy-name-come-from?feed=yes&xn_auth=no1) Regarding King Charles II'…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-03-15:844301:Comment:15321562023-03-15T00:25:37.999ZARTHUR MCCLENCHhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ARTHURMCCLENCH
<div class="x_elementToProof x_ContentPasted0">1) Regarding King Charles II's complexion, the name of the house of Stuart has nothing to do with Scandinavian words for 'swarthy' but derives simply from Walter Fitzalan, who held the office of Royal Steward to the Scots King, Robert I (1306-1330) and was known as 'Walter the Steward.' he married Marjorie, daughter of King Robert, whose son succeed to the throne as Robert II, first of the House of Stewart. (Steward, derives from old…</div>
<div class="x_elementToProof x_ContentPasted0">1) Regarding King Charles II's complexion, the name of the house of Stuart has nothing to do with Scandinavian words for 'swarthy' but derives simply from Walter Fitzalan, who held the office of Royal Steward to the Scots King, Robert I (1306-1330) and was known as 'Walter the Steward.' he married Marjorie, daughter of King Robert, whose son succeed to the throne as Robert II, first of the House of Stewart. (Steward, derives from old English <em class="x_mw_t_it x_ContentPasted0">stīweard</em>, from<span> </span><em class="x_mw_t_it x_ContentPasted0">stī, stig</em><span> </span>hall, sty +<span> </span><em class="x_mw_t_it x_ContentPasted0">weard</em><span> </span>ward, hence 'keeper') </div>
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<div class="x_elementToProof x_ContentPasted0">2) I noticed on the early map the proximity to Hanger Corner of lands marked as being in the ownership of the Knights Hospitaller. This military order wore monastic habits and knightly livery of black cloth, similar to the Dominican order or 'Black Friars.' Their priory was situated originally in Clerkenwell, before being moved to Ludgate and the area now named after them. It seems possible that the name of the hostelry at Hanger Corner may have derived its name from that religious order whose black clad lay brothers, until the mid 16th century once worked the land in the grange across the road.
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Despite the decision to change the name of Blackboy Lane having already been made in accordance with the premise widely discussed, I thought the point worth making. For the record.</div> Interested to hear opinions o…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-01-29:844301:Comment:15262642023-01-29T06:23:50.465ZBrian Ahearnehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianAhearne
<p>Interested to hear opinions on the telling of the history by HCP: <a href="https://haringeycommunitypress.co.uk/2023/01/28/black-boy-lane-history/" target="_blank">https://haringeycommunitypress.co.uk/2023/01/28/black-boy-lane-history/</a></p>
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<p>Interested to hear opinions on the telling of the history by HCP: <a href="https://haringeycommunitypress.co.uk/2023/01/28/black-boy-lane-history/" target="_blank">https://haringeycommunitypress.co.uk/2023/01/28/black-boy-lane-history/</a></p>
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<p></p> My understanding is that it c…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-03:844301:Comment:14083172021-02-03T11:34:13.961ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>My understanding is that it comes from the Old English <span>word</span> <i>hangra</i><span>, meaning a wooded slope. But I've always thought of it as a shorthand for an area of land, more particularly fields. </span></p>
<p>My understanding is that it comes from the Old English <span>word</span> <i>hangra</i><span>, meaning a wooded slope. But I've always thought of it as a shorthand for an area of land, more particularly fields. </span></p> There are obviously two camps…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-03:844301:Comment:14083592021-02-03T11:31:04.167ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p>There are obviously two camps in this name game .. The Monarchists and the Gamblers..</p>
<p>There are obviously two camps in this name game .. The Monarchists and the Gamblers..</p> Ah, I've found it now Hugh..…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-02-03:844301:Comment:14083562021-02-03T11:25:24.900ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p>Ah, I've found it now Hugh.. What were 'Hangers' ?</p>
<p>Hanger Lane and Bushey Hangers, although sounding rather rude, probably means hops or something like that I guess.. Any ideas? That was slighty higher land or at least on a hill.</p>
<p>Ah, I've found it now Hugh.. What were 'Hangers' ?</p>
<p>Hanger Lane and Bushey Hangers, although sounding rather rude, probably means hops or something like that I guess.. Any ideas? That was slighty higher land or at least on a hill.</p> It's not shocking at all.
Bla…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-27:844301:Comment:13258472020-10-27T10:36:02.569ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
<p>It's not shocking at all.</p>
<p>Blackie is a common nickname for someone with black hair.</p>
<p>Just like "Ginger "</p>
<p>It's also a common surname. Examples from Wickipedia -</p>
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<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Blackie" title="Josh Blackie">Josh Blackie</a><span> </span>(born 1979), New Zealand rugby union player</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blackie" title="Don Blackie">Don Blackie</a><span> </span>(1882–1955), Australian cricketer…</li>
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<p>It's not shocking at all.</p>
<p>Blackie is a common nickname for someone with black hair.</p>
<p>Just like "Ginger "</p>
<p>It's also a common surname. Examples from Wickipedia -</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Blackie" title="Josh Blackie">Josh Blackie</a><span> </span>(born 1979), New Zealand rugby union player</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blackie" title="Don Blackie">Don Blackie</a><span> </span>(1882–1955), Australian cricketer</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Blackie" title="Ernest Blackie">Ernest Blackie</a><span> </span>(1867–1943), English Anglican priest</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_Blackie" title="Fergus Blackie">Fergus Blackie</a>, former justice of the High Court of Zimbabwe and lawyer</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Blackie" title="John Stuart Blackie">John Stuart Blackie</a><span> </span>(1809–1895), Scottish scholar</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Blackie" title="Sid Blackie">Sid Blackie</a><span> </span>(1901–1966), English footballer</li>
</ul> See an update about this issu…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-01:844301:Comment:12973362020-10-01T07:51:14.093ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>See an update about this issue <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/council-launches-consultation-for-the-renaming-of-black-boy-lane" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>. </p>
<p>See an update about this issue <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/council-launches-consultation-for-the-renaming-of-black-boy-lane" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>. </p> I remember looking up the ori…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-09-28:844301:Comment:12948932020-09-28T20:38:50.216ZGina Ohttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GinaO
<p>I remember looking up the origin of the name a few years back and reading that the pub was named after a famous racehorse! But now when I search I can't find anything about that. Very odd, as I remember being surprised when I read and thinking how interesting it was. </p>
<p>I remember looking up the origin of the name a few years back and reading that the pub was named after a famous racehorse! But now when I search I can't find anything about that. Very odd, as I remember being surprised when I read and thinking how interesting it was. </p> Yet another real interesting…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-07-03:844301:Comment:12678572020-07-03T23:11:10.260ZJohn Shulverhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/John_Shulver
<p>Yet another real interesting article Hugh. Great pic of West Green Road, how busy it looked ! Such an interesting old map as well. Would love to learn more of the property owners. I often passed by the old Black Boy pub in my early years and recall being intrigued by the wonderfully illustrated pub sign. I came to understand the boy was a servant and seeing as some female relatives had been servants in the "big" houses thought nothing bad about it. Only vaguely remember calling in on…</p>
<p>Yet another real interesting article Hugh. Great pic of West Green Road, how busy it looked ! Such an interesting old map as well. Would love to learn more of the property owners. I often passed by the old Black Boy pub in my early years and recall being intrigued by the wonderfully illustrated pub sign. I came to understand the boy was a servant and seeing as some female relatives had been servants in the "big" houses thought nothing bad about it. Only vaguely remember calling in on a couple of occasions for a drink there. I was surprised and saddened to see in visits "home" in later years the pub name had been changed, along with several other changes to recollections of my early life. Oh well..........</p> Interesting what you say abou…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-07-03:844301:Comment:12676332020-07-03T09:53:31.413ZIan Crainehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IanCraine
<p>Interesting what you say about the Stuarts, Hugh, and the derivation of the name. I had a feeling that the Stuarts were originally court Stewards to the previous Kings of Scotland (much as Charlemagne's Carolingians were to the prior Merovingians). Were they perhaps originally of darker hue than their masters? If their ancestors were the pre-Celtic tribes of Britain that may well have been the case. Iberians they were often called. </p>
<p>Interesting what you say about the Stuarts, Hugh, and the derivation of the name. I had a feeling that the Stuarts were originally court Stewards to the previous Kings of Scotland (much as Charlemagne's Carolingians were to the prior Merovingians). Were they perhaps originally of darker hue than their masters? If their ancestors were the pre-Celtic tribes of Britain that may well have been the case. Iberians they were often called. </p>