Update on plans of where to spend TfL's £1.2m for Harringay - Harringay online2024-03-28T23:14:53Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/update-on-plans-of-where-to?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A198830&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noUpdate on petition
After just…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-21:844301:Comment:1988302010-12-21T20:35:46.007ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p><strong>Update on petition</strong></p>
<p>After just a week - and the week before Christmas at that - we have 264 signatures. Cllrs Gina Adamou and Karen Alexander have both signed. We've yet to succeed in winning over Cllr David Schmitz.</p>
<p>Haringey's new petition scheme has set levels which trigger actions by the council. 2,200 signatures triggers a debate by the full council. However no distinction is made between borough-wide petitions and local ones. A phone conversation with the…</p>
<p><strong>Update on petition</strong></p>
<p>After just a week - and the week before Christmas at that - we have 264 signatures. Cllrs Gina Adamou and Karen Alexander have both signed. We've yet to succeed in winning over Cllr David Schmitz.</p>
<p>Haringey's new petition scheme has set levels which trigger actions by the council. 2,200 signatures triggers a debate by the full council. However no distinction is made between borough-wide petitions and local ones. A phone conversation with the officer responsible confirmed that the 2,200 figure was set with the borough in mind. He also confirmed that there is no 'discount' for locally targeted petitions.</p>
<p>2,200 people is just under 1% of the borough's population. That's the level the council has determined is so significant that it warrants a full council debate.</p>
<p>Our petition represents a proportion of Harringay's population 50% higher than that level. So if the council follows the spirit of their policy, we have very good reason to expect that the views of those who have signed are seriously considered.</p>
<p>Good news.</p>
<p>If you've friends and neighbours who haven't yet signed, remind them that all we're asking is that easing Ladder rat running is taken into account, and get then to sign up.</p> For me it flashes quickly thr…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-17:844301:Comment:1981832010-12-17T09:56:36.722ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>For me it flashes quickly through black , but then shows up fine. Anyone else having trouble?</p>
<p>For me it flashes quickly through black , but then shows up fine. Anyone else having trouble?</p> Maddy,
Did you say it wasn'…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1980182010-12-16T11:23:55.812ZE. F. Salzmanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/EFSalzman
<p>Maddy,</p>
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<p>Did you say it wasn't too bad on Umfreville? Actually, it's not something ruining my life on Fairfax!</p>
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<p>However, I very much object to local bodies spending money without regard to local opinion.</p>
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<p>I do come out of a family who's always thought local activism important: indeed, perhaps TH most important political involvement. It is how things are done and the process creates community.</p>
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<p>I think it WAS made clear several times…</p>
<p>Maddy,</p>
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<p>Did you say it wasn't too bad on Umfreville? Actually, it's not something ruining my life on Fairfax!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>However, I very much object to local bodies spending money without regard to local opinion.</p>
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<p>I do come out of a family who's always thought local activism important: indeed, perhaps TH most important political involvement. It is how things are done and the process creates community.</p>
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<p>I think it WAS made clear several times that the issue here is addessing the issue, while different solutions may be proposed. THe issue of cars and traffic is not a NIMBY issue but an extremely important environmental one.</p>
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<p>I wish I had more time to be involved but anyway would definitely put my name to any petition or ideas supportive of public transport and getting rid of cars. The less cars anwhee the better! As been said: trying to be realistic.</p>
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<p>But back to the point: no local government should disregard the opinions and issues of its community. We keep getting diverted to discusing whether one idea would work or not. I, for one, don't know but would sure like those who know more to look into this more to find possible solutions. Seems odd to dismiss such things in advance, before one can know!</p> Maddy,
This is about using…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1980112010-12-16T10:59:52.570ZE. F. Salzmanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/EFSalzman
<p>Maddy,</p>
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<p>This is about using funds to examine an issue: not deciding in advance the solution.</p>
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<p>It has already been pointed out that a return to previous set-up might be one solution.</p>
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<p>Maddy,</p>
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<p>This is about using funds to examine an issue: not deciding in advance the solution.</p>
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<p>It has already been pointed out that a return to previous set-up might be one solution.</p>
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<p> </p> I received an email from Gina…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1980012010-12-16T10:30:19.578ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I received an email from Gina Adamou this morning in which she explained that she has been asking for for Ladder traffic to be included within the scope of the TfL funds. She has also written to the council asking the council who made the decision not to consider re-opening the roads in the neighbourhood that have been closed off, but has yet to receive a response.</p>
<p>I received an email from Gina Adamou this morning in which she explained that she has been asking for for Ladder traffic to be included within the scope of the TfL funds. She has also written to the council asking the council who made the decision not to consider re-opening the roads in the neighbourhood that have been closed off, but has yet to receive a response.</p> Apologies to have offended yo…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1979942010-12-16T10:05:49.427ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Apologies to have offended you in any way Maddy. It's design was absolutely aimed to personalise because as well as having a community aspect, this issue a personal one. It was aimed to offer people that complimentary perspective, but the last thing I wanted to do in sending the emails was to offend.</p>
<p>I'm becoming very wary of the word 'NIMBY'. it's seems to be fast becoming a word that's flung about disparagingly without qualification. What I'm keen to understand is the point at which…</p>
<p>Apologies to have offended you in any way Maddy. It's design was absolutely aimed to personalise because as well as having a community aspect, this issue a personal one. It was aimed to offer people that complimentary perspective, but the last thing I wanted to do in sending the emails was to offend.</p>
<p>I'm becoming very wary of the word 'NIMBY'. it's seems to be fast becoming a word that's flung about disparagingly without qualification. What I'm keen to understand is the point at which ones crosses the line and it becomes wrong to stand up for your community and quality of life. In other words, for people who choose to use the Nimby label, when does an activity pass from something that is more likely to be given the value judgement of 'good' to one that gets labelled 'bad'? Were people wrong to fight against the cement factory? Were we wrong a couple of years ago to fight against Wood Green's traffic being diverted along Wightman?</p> Maddy, then I think we've fai…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1979902010-12-16T09:45:32.690ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Maddy, then I think we've failed to communicate the petition clearly. Read <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/update-on-plans-of-where-to?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A197905" target="_self">my comment below</a>. At no point does our petition suggest a particular solution. It merely demands that solving the Ladder traffic issue is a part of the scheme. As I've said below,</p>
<blockquote>All we're asking for is equitable treatment. One solution would be one that you might…</blockquote>
<p>Maddy, then I think we've failed to communicate the petition clearly. Read <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/update-on-plans-of-where-to?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A197905" target="_self">my comment below</a>. At no point does our petition suggest a particular solution. It merely demands that solving the Ladder traffic issue is a part of the scheme. As I've said below,</p>
<blockquote>All we're asking for is equitable treatment. One solution would be one that you might favour - remove all neighbouring traffic restrictions to put things back to how they were in 2001.</blockquote>
<p><br/> If you read the petition wording Maddy it's all there. But thanks for pointing out this interpretation. We'll need to do our best to correct any misunderstanding.</p>
<p> </p> Just a further thought - the…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1979842010-12-16T09:01:27.462ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>Just a further thought - the one-way Ladder streets presumably increase journeys by local residents (and visitors and delivery drivers), because every time we go out or come home, we have to drive down a neighbouring street in order to get to ours. But it was a bit of a nightmare here before it became one-way - are streets like Umfreville wide enough to allow slanted parking on one side (as Maria suggested) and two-way traffic as well? Or does it amount to the same thing?</p>
<p>Just a further thought - the one-way Ladder streets presumably increase journeys by local residents (and visitors and delivery drivers), because every time we go out or come home, we have to drive down a neighbouring street in order to get to ours. But it was a bit of a nightmare here before it became one-way - are streets like Umfreville wide enough to allow slanted parking on one side (as Maria suggested) and two-way traffic as well? Or does it amount to the same thing?</p> I must admit, Joe, that I fou…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1979832010-12-16T08:50:32.916ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>I must admit, Joe, that I found the way this email was targeted - mine said "Stop Rat Running on Umfreville Road" - made me a bit cross as it reminded me of those personalised junk mail shots and also seems to be designed to appeal to NIMBY sentiments.</p>
<p>I must admit, Joe, that I found the way this email was targeted - mine said "Stop Rat Running on Umfreville Road" - made me a bit cross as it reminded me of those personalised junk mail shots and also seems to be designed to appeal to NIMBY sentiments.</p> I'm afraid I have two reasons…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-12-16:844301:Comment:1979822010-12-16T08:43:04.721ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>I'm afraid I have two reasons for not being able to get behind this petition, even though I do live on a road (Umfreville) which gets a lot of through traffic, though not as bad as Warham which seems to take the brunt.</p>
<p>The first is that if all the cars passing through the area end up queuing down Green Lanes it will either grind to a complete halt, or at the occasional less busy time be even more of a race-track than it currently is. Buses would be caught up in this jam and those of…</p>
<p>I'm afraid I have two reasons for not being able to get behind this petition, even though I do live on a road (Umfreville) which gets a lot of through traffic, though not as bad as Warham which seems to take the brunt.</p>
<p>The first is that if all the cars passing through the area end up queuing down Green Lanes it will either grind to a complete halt, or at the occasional less busy time be even more of a race-track than it currently is. Buses would be caught up in this jam and those of us who live on the Ladder and use our cars from time to time would find it very hard to get around if the only "escape" route is via Green Lanes. I am very close to the GL end of the street and I can't see how this would achieve the goal of reducing air pollution.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think that part of the problem locally stems from road closure schemes already in place - the Gardens, Hermitage Rd, and also the closure of Lothair Roads (N and S) to through traffic. All done piecemeal under pressure from residents - very nice for the people living there but it simply funnels traffic onto other, already crowded streets. Endymion road is also residential, and as someone pointed out, a lot of people live on Green Lanes above the shops. I agree that we live in a problem area but I don't want just to make that someone else's problem.</p>
<p>An overall strategy to rethink traffic in the whole area, with a mandate to remove existing schemes if necessary, that would get my backing, but not a further "kettling" of through traffic by sealing up the Ladder.</p>