Update on Harringay "Traffic Study" - Harringay online2024-03-28T14:46:40Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/update-on-harringay-traffic?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A118257&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm fuming about this - what…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-08-03:844301:Comment:1182572009-08-03T20:25:15.785ZAlison Phttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Alison
I'm fuming about this - what a cheeky sleight of hand to take a study about Green Lanes and make it sound like something so much grander. Absolutely infuriating.<br />
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Personally I support trying to ease buses on Green Lanes, so I'm not against the proposed study. I just really object to it being dressed up as something that it isn't (especially something that is so obviously needed). As for the idea that traffic just chooses its own way - what nonsense, and how disappointing to hear that from…
I'm fuming about this - what a cheeky sleight of hand to take a study about Green Lanes and make it sound like something so much grander. Absolutely infuriating.<br />
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Personally I support trying to ease buses on Green Lanes, so I'm not against the proposed study. I just really object to it being dressed up as something that it isn't (especially something that is so obviously needed). As for the idea that traffic just chooses its own way - what nonsense, and how disappointing to hear that from someone who has such an important role in shaping traffic policy in Haringey. Every morning there is either…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-08-03:844301:Comment:1182462009-08-03T17:24:25.121ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
Every morning there is either an iceland truck or a tesco truck parked in the bus lane heading south which the busses have to leave the bus lane to get around. Every evening there are people "just nipping into the shop" illegally parking in the no parking areas for heading north. I would think that this is what TfL are looking at, they can't make the busses run any "faster" they're already doing more than 30 given an open stretch of road.<br />
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How about a congestion charge for driving through…
Every morning there is either an iceland truck or a tesco truck parked in the bus lane heading south which the busses have to leave the bus lane to get around. Every evening there are people "just nipping into the shop" illegally parking in the no parking areas for heading north. I would think that this is what TfL are looking at, they can't make the busses run any "faster" they're already doing more than 30 given an open stretch of road.<br />
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How about a congestion charge for driving through Haringey (i.e. not paid by residents)? Come on council, you can make a mint out of that, how in the hell else will all those Enfield City types get their Range Rovers into town? Two or three years ago at a C…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178362009-07-29T17:46:58.282ZClive Carterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/CliveCarter
Two or three years ago at a Crouch End AA meeting, the Head of Highways (or similar high-falutin' title) said that one of the reasons why the council did consultations on CPZs was to find out if there might be a displacement effect.<br />
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Which I would have thought was an odd thing for a senior council Highways officer to say. Perhaps it was an off-the-cuff remark.<br />
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<i>Every</i> CPZ ever imposed has caused displacement.<br />
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No one knows this better than London local authorities.<br />
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After all, that is no…
Two or three years ago at a Crouch End AA meeting, the Head of Highways (or similar high-falutin' title) said that one of the reasons why the council did consultations on CPZs was to find out if there might be a displacement effect.<br />
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Which I would have thought was an odd thing for a senior council Highways officer to say. Perhaps it was an off-the-cuff remark.<br />
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<i>Every</i> CPZ ever imposed has caused displacement.<br />
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No one knows this better than London local authorities.<br />
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After all, that is no more or less than their declared intention.<br />
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. Thanks Paul. You understood m…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178342009-07-29T17:41:17.010ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
Thanks Paul. You understood my point. What Tony said in response to my question was that Traffic chooses certain routes and we can't do much about that. A very odd response in the context of this debate and in light of road schemes elsewhere in the borough, including in out own Gardens.
Thanks Paul. You understood my point. What Tony said in response to my question was that Traffic chooses certain routes and we can't do much about that. A very odd response in the context of this debate and in light of road schemes elsewhere in the borough, including in out own Gardens. Hugh, you are too polite.
Fr…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178322009-07-29T17:38:40.450ZPeterPiperhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PeterPiper
Hugh, you are too polite.<br />
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Frankly, after hearing last night that the Harringay Traffic Survey has been sub-contacted to TfL to examine ways to ease bus flow along Green Lanes, I was extremely cross.<br />
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The sub-heading for AAs is "You talk, we listen" well now we know that they don't listen. I wonder how Haringey People will report this, something like -"following the success of the recent Harringay Traffic Survey, buses will move faster along Green Lanes."<br />
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As to where we go next...Boris &…
Hugh, you are too polite.<br />
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Frankly, after hearing last night that the Harringay Traffic Survey has been sub-contacted to TfL to examine ways to ease bus flow along Green Lanes, I was extremely cross.<br />
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The sub-heading for AAs is "You talk, we listen" well now we know that they don't listen. I wonder how Haringey People will report this, something like -"following the success of the recent Harringay Traffic Survey, buses will move faster along Green Lanes."<br />
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As to where we go next...Boris & the London Assemby? Following up on Hugh's point…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178242009-07-29T17:02:54.369ZWightmanPaulhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/WightmanPaul
Following up on Hugh's point from the AA last night that the structuring of traffic schemes around the ladder has an impact on the choice of roads used by drivers - is this really a point to be contested? - it concerns me that there is still muddled thinking at the Town Hall about the role of the Council in shaping traffic impact on it's residents lives. At one and the same time I am denied right of way along highways for which I amongst others pay by the installation of rising bollards at a…
Following up on Hugh's point from the AA last night that the structuring of traffic schemes around the ladder has an impact on the choice of roads used by drivers - is this really a point to be contested? - it concerns me that there is still muddled thinking at the Town Hall about the role of the Council in shaping traffic impact on it's residents lives. At one and the same time I am denied right of way along highways for which I amongst others pay by the installation of rising bollards at a cost to, amongst others, me. Then, I am told that because Wightman Rd was designated [some time around 1914 I think] as a B road that it and its residents are equipped - in 2009 - to serve as a local distributor route in Council policy. I've heard the same myth now at area assemblies from both Cllr Haley and the Council Officer for Highways. It is a myth that B roads were designated due to features of their construction other than the points they link. In other words, roads were classified by useage. And that, I think is Hugh's point. Decisions taken by Councils can change usage - as in the Gardens, for example - so the structuring of traffic schemes around the ladder affects the choice of roads made by drivers. If you close the Gardens, block up Green Lanes and ask TfL how to speed up the buses I wonder where they'll advise that the traffic should go? Stephen, I do wish you would…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178182009-07-29T16:03:48.199ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
Stephen, I do wish you would read the post you are replying to. <b>"I'm not saying that other traffic should have priority"</b><br />
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My point is - if TFL come up with the idea that displacing traffic onto Wightman Road will speed up buses on Green Lanes they may be disappointed. Now the opinions expressed yesterday evening indicated that we do not want more traffic on Wightman. So if TFL suggest that more traffic on Wightman would speed up buses on Green Lanes there is an argument against it.
Stephen, I do wish you would read the post you are replying to. <b>"I'm not saying that other traffic should have priority"</b><br />
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My point is - if TFL come up with the idea that displacing traffic onto Wightman Road will speed up buses on Green Lanes they may be disappointed. Now the opinions expressed yesterday evening indicated that we do not want more traffic on Wightman. So if TFL suggest that more traffic on Wightman would speed up buses on Green Lanes there is an argument against it. Yes, okay, agree & will c…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178072009-07-29T12:58:49.638ZClive Carterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/CliveCarter
Yes, okay, agree & will contribute to a thread on that subject.<br />
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<b><i>Disclaimer:</i></b> For the avoidance of doubt, I do not wish to imply (earlier post) that, given sufficient – or even unlimited – time, Brian would necessarily always be wholly convincing on traffic management matters! But the principle of divided attention remains.<br />
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Yes, okay, agree & will contribute to a thread on that subject.<br />
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<b><i>Disclaimer:</i></b> For the avoidance of doubt, I do not wish to imply (earlier post) that, given sufficient – or even unlimited – time, Brian would necessarily always be wholly convincing on traffic management matters! But the principle of divided attention remains.<br />
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. I don't want to hijack this t…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178062009-07-29T12:40:43.286ZLizhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Liz
I don't want to hijack this thread to talk about Area Assembly management (much as I am dying to) but I agree with you totally Clive. I will probably pick this up for another thread so please join me there to talk about this :)
I don't want to hijack this thread to talk about Area Assembly management (much as I am dying to) but I agree with you totally Clive. I will probably pick this up for another thread so please join me there to talk about this :) Liz, regarding the inability…tag:harringayonline.com,2009-07-29:844301:Comment:1178042009-07-29T12:34:36.922ZClive Carterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/CliveCarter
Liz, regarding the inability of the Cabinet Member for CPZs, parking and traffic, to be in two places at once:<br />
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Last night was the <i>second</i> night this month where <i>Neighbourhood Management Service</i> has managed to schedule two AA meetings on the same night. There are a number of disadvantages to this doubling up and I think you've just identified another. Cllr Haley popped in to the MH AA meeting in connection with traffic issues local to MH, although I don't remember him saying…
Liz, regarding the inability of the Cabinet Member for CPZs, parking and traffic, to be in two places at once:<br />
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Last night was the <i>second</i> night this month where <i>Neighbourhood Management Service</i> has managed to schedule two AA meetings on the same night. There are a number of disadvantages to this doubling up and I think you've just identified another. Cllr Haley popped in to the MH AA meeting in connection with traffic issues local to MH, although I don't remember him saying anything. It appears that the net result is that both areas get cursory attention.<br />
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If all the AA meetings were staggered the attention of cabinet members would not need to be divided in the way you've identified.<br />
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I think it's now called joined up thinking and (AKA) knowing what the other hand is doing. I wonder if the NMS was trying to get all the AA meetings out of the way before the end of July (before municipal holidays, perhaps?).<br />
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At the MH meeting there were NMS slogans on display: "we're working for you" and "engaging with local communities".<br />
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(I went to the Muswell Hill AA to hear the scheduled five minutes on Ally Pally. In the event, the billed AP spokesman failed to show and a prepared statement was read out.)<br />
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