Two-bedroom house to be built in a garden on the Ladder - Harringay online2024-03-29T10:17:19Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/two-bedroom-house-to-be-built-in-a-garden-on-the-ladder?x=1&id=844301%3ATopic%3A1443306&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOops. Thanks. Sorted. tag:harringayonline.com,2021-09-24:844301:Comment:14537412021-09-24T19:24:15.624ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Oops. Thanks. Sorted. </p>
<p>Oops. Thanks. Sorted. </p> I liked this summary of the r…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-09-24:844301:Comment:14537402021-09-24T18:45:38.347ZAlison Phttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Alison
<p>I liked this summary of the rationale for the decision:</p>
<p>“The proposal, by reason of its design, form, scale, massing, layout, location, means of access and lack of street frontage, would be an inappropriate form of backland development, that would not relate to the pattern of development in the area, and would appear a cramped, obtrusive, and incongruous form of development when viewed from surrounding properties and their gardens, to the detriment of local visual amenities and…</p>
<p>I liked this summary of the rationale for the decision:</p>
<p>“The proposal, by reason of its design, form, scale, massing, layout, location, means of access and lack of street frontage, would be an inappropriate form of backland development, that would not relate to the pattern of development in the area, and would appear a cramped, obtrusive, and incongruous form of development when viewed from surrounding properties and their gardens, to the detriment of local visual amenities and harmful to the character of the area.”</p>
<p>Wordy, but true!</p>
<p>Hugh, your link on the other post redirects to the same post rather than this one.</p> Maddy has provided an update…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-09-24:844301:Comment:14539982021-09-24T17:43:47.707ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Maddy has provided an update <a href="https://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/planning-refused-for-house-in-back-garden" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>. Good news for us all on the Ladder and throughout the borough.</p>
<p>Maddy has provided an update <a href="https://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/planning-refused-for-house-in-back-garden" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>. Good news for us all on the Ladder and throughout the borough.</p> Absolutely agree with you on…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-20:844301:Comment:14456062021-08-20T20:06:06.586ZPat Devereauxhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PatDevereaux
<p>Absolutely agree with you on this. We had this happen round the corner from us. But in Tottenham anything seems to go. This guy converted a house into three flats then built another in the garden and built a house including basement at the end of the property. We have been rather amazed that Haringey allowed all this to go ahead. Imagine the overcrowding and lack of greenery in London if this were allowed to happen frequently?</p>
<p>Absolutely agree with you on this. We had this happen round the corner from us. But in Tottenham anything seems to go. This guy converted a house into three flats then built another in the garden and built a house including basement at the end of the property. We have been rather amazed that Haringey allowed all this to go ahead. Imagine the overcrowding and lack of greenery in London if this were allowed to happen frequently?</p> I would have thought that onc…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-20:844301:Comment:14454102021-08-20T08:32:27.906ZBarbarahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BarbaraNicholls
<p>I would have thought that once permission is granted for this (a test case?) then it would blight the whole of the borough giving others carte blanche to do the same. Resist!</p>
<p>I would have thought that once permission is granted for this (a test case?) then it would blight the whole of the borough giving others carte blanche to do the same. Resist!</p> The Rusper Road scenario saw…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-18:844301:Comment:14452612021-08-18T20:46:27.613ZMr Mhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/MrM
<p>The Rusper Road scenario saw LBH grant permission for a 2-storey house to be built in the garden of a terrace, over neighbours' objections.</p>
<p>That is why there are similarities.</p>
<p>The Rusper Road scenario saw LBH grant permission for a 2-storey house to be built in the garden of a terrace, over neighbours' objections.</p>
<p>That is why there are similarities.</p> We walked past a house at the…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-18:844301:Comment:14451672021-08-18T18:03:07.059ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>We walked past a house at the eastern end of Raleigh today and that looks a little similar to the Cavendish application. It <a href="http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=294779" rel="noopener" target="_blank">was approved in 2017</a>. It's a nice looking modern house.</p>
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<p>It is similar to that proposed in the current…</p>
<p>We walked past a house at the eastern end of Raleigh today and that looks a little similar to the Cavendish application. It <a href="http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=294779" target="_blank" rel="noopener">was approved in 2017</a>. It's a nice looking modern house.</p>
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<p>It is similar to that proposed in the current application in that it's a detached house built at the bottom of and occupying most of a rear garden of a house (on Willoughby Road). But the critical difference, in Haringey DMD terms, is that this house, like the Rusper Road one, ends up slotting alongside and in effect continuing the existing terrace. This would not be the case with the Cavendish development. It would just sit amongst a garden landscape, unrelated to what is alongside it. If my interpretation is correct, this is why it the Raleigh development was approved and I hope why the Cavendish one will be rejected.</p> I stumbled on this late but h…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-18:844301:Comment:14450092021-08-18T16:59:37.652ZAlison Phttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Alison
<p>I stumbled on this late but have just objected too. There are now 28 objections.</p>
<p>Agree with many of the other comments here, and see granting permission as setting as an alarming precedent for any house adjacent to the ladder. </p>
<p>I stumbled on this late but have just objected too. There are now 28 objections.</p>
<p>Agree with many of the other comments here, and see granting permission as setting as an alarming precedent for any house adjacent to the ladder. </p> I disagree with your logic. …tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-17:844301:Comment:14449222021-08-17T23:28:55.480ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I disagree with your logic. </p>
<p>3a Rusper Road is quite a different case. It was essentially a side extension, as your screenshot shows. Because it was built as an extension of the exisiting terrace, t is no precedent for the current application.</p>
<p>The second case you cite in Boundary Road, was very similar It was an application for a separate house in a 'non-landlocked' rear garden. It is a good precedent for the current case and, as you correctly state, it was…</p>
<p>I disagree with your logic. </p>
<p>3a Rusper Road is quite a different case. It was essentially a side extension, as your screenshot shows. Because it was built as an extension of the exisiting terrace, t is no precedent for the current application.</p>
<p>The second case you cite in Boundary Road, was very similar It was an application for a separate house in a 'non-landlocked' rear garden. It is a good precedent for the current case and, as you correctly state, it was refused.</p>
<p>(I've added links in your comment to the cases so that people can easily refer to them).</p>
<p>Who knows what LBH planning will do. But we can take reassurance from the cases you cite rather than be worried by them. </p> I am sorry to say that LBH ma…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-17:844301:Comment:14450622021-08-17T22:45:01.948ZMr Mhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/MrM
<p>I am sorry to say that LBH may be inclined to grant permission for this as other, similar projects, have been allowed.</p>
<p>See image below, and <a href="http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet" rel="noopener" target="_blank">follow the sad tale</a> at HGY/2015/3394 and HGY/2018/0624</p>
<p>Again we have a non-resident owner behind the project and - laughably - commenting in support of the application!</p>
<p>For balance, a very close-by…</p>
<p>I am sorry to say that LBH may be inclined to grant permission for this as other, similar projects, have been allowed.</p>
<p>See image below, and <a href="http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet" target="_blank" rel="noopener">follow the sad tale</a> at HGY/2015/3394 and HGY/2018/0624</p>
<p>Again we have a non-resident owner behind the project and - laughably - commenting in support of the application!</p>
<p>For balance, a very close-by development was refused (& upheld by Planning Inspectorate). See <a href="http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=397579" target="_blank" rel="noopener">HGY/2020/1287</a></p>
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