The Metamorphosis of Hornsey Station - Harringay online2024-03-29T09:36:54Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-metamorphosis-of-hornsey-station?groupUrl=historyofharringay&commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1241134&groupId=844301%3AGroup%3A10&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNew fig. 13 added.tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-12:844301:Comment:14625712021-11-12T20:02:48.769ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>New fig. 13 added.</p>
<p>New fig. 13 added.</p> Things have certainly changed…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-04-02:844301:Comment:14204552021-04-02T09:39:25.107ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Things have certainly changed since the 60s. As with Harringay, a new ticket office was built in the 70s. At Harringay, it was following a fire. I'm not sure if the change at Hornsey had the same cause.</p>
<p>At around the same time as the ticket office was rebuilt, the <a href="https://harringayonline.com/photo/hornsey-station-from-hampden-road1970s" rel="noopener" target="_blank">old enclosed staircase from Hampden Road</a> was demolished and replaced with a simpler open…</p>
<p>Things have certainly changed since the 60s. As with Harringay, a new ticket office was built in the 70s. At Harringay, it was following a fire. I'm not sure if the change at Hornsey had the same cause.</p>
<p>At around the same time as the ticket office was rebuilt, the <a href="https://harringayonline.com/photo/hornsey-station-from-hampden-road1970s" target="_blank" rel="noopener">old enclosed staircase from Hampden Road</a> was demolished and replaced with a simpler open staircase. </p>
<p>All old buildings on the platforms were also demolished and for the most part never replaced. </p> My memories of the station in…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-04-02:844301:Comment:14202242021-04-02T08:12:00.537ZKen Stevenshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/KenStevens
<p>My memories of the station in late 50s/early 60s were of a very ancient, dusty ticket office, platform and waiting room. Journeys were to Hertfordshire countryside or into Kings Cross for trainspotting. Stationers' school playing field was at Winchmore Hill so, although we had free scholar bus tickets, if we had a spare bob or two then a ride home to Hornsey station was a treat. </p>
<p>There was no improvement in dilapidation by the time I resumed Hertfordshire day trips in early '70s, now…</p>
<p>My memories of the station in late 50s/early 60s were of a very ancient, dusty ticket office, platform and waiting room. Journeys were to Hertfordshire countryside or into Kings Cross for trainspotting. Stationers' school playing field was at Winchmore Hill so, although we had free scholar bus tickets, if we had a spare bob or two then a ride home to Hornsey station was a treat. </p>
<p>There was no improvement in dilapidation by the time I resumed Hertfordshire day trips in early '70s, now with wife and first child! I presume it will have had a makeover by now.</p> Iffland Lorenz b.1860 Prussia…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-03-26:844301:Comment:14193342021-03-26T20:16:45.041ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p>Iffland Lorenz b.1860 Prussia. Baker and son of a baker. 1881 Clerkenwell, 1901 Pratt St, Camden Town, 1911 425 Wightman Road, forename anglicised.</p>
<p>Last appears on 1915 Hornsey electoral lists. Dies 1932 Southwark. …<a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720014281?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-center" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720014281?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a> <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720020078?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-center" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720020078?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Iffland Lorenz b.1860 Prussia. Baker and son of a baker. 1881 Clerkenwell, 1901 Pratt St, Camden Town, 1911 425 Wightman Road, forename anglicised.</p>
<p>Last appears on 1915 Hornsey electoral lists. Dies 1932 Southwark. <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720014281?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720014281?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720020078?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8720020078?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a></p>
<p></p> Just noticed that the Baker w…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-03-26:844301:Comment:14194242021-03-26T17:23:54.071ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p>Just noticed that the Baker was a german. Well over 50% of London butchers, bakers & brewers were of german origin pre-1914. <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iffland" target="_blank">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iffland</a></p>
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<p>Just noticed that the Baker was a german. Well over 50% of London butchers, bakers & brewers were of german origin pre-1914. <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iffland" target="_blank">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iffland</a></p>
<p></p> Added a minor update towards…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-11-08:844301:Comment:13379172020-11-08T13:38:03.100ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Added a minor update towards the top of the article - a short newspaper clipping about the very earliest origins of the station. </p>
<p>Added a minor update towards the top of the article - a short newspaper clipping about the very earliest origins of the station. </p> An interesting quandary, but…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-06-02:844301:Comment:12421742020-06-02T23:14:21.153ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>An interesting quandary, but if anything the move in recent years has been to more services and less skip stops.</p>
<p>The simplification in my first post was such as to disregard the fact there were 6 passenger lines: a through road, a down fast and slow, and an up fast, up slow 1 and up slow 2. These were flanked by a goods line emanating from the sidings at Ferme Park on the down side and a through line on the up side depot. Thus a pair of slow lines never had platforms at…</p>
<p>An interesting quandary, but if anything the move in recent years has been to more services and less skip stops.</p>
<p>The simplification in my first post was such as to disregard the fact there were 6 passenger lines: a through road, a down fast and slow, and an up fast, up slow 1 and up slow 2. These were flanked by a goods line emanating from the sidings at Ferme Park on the down side and a through line on the up side depot. Thus a pair of slow lines never had platforms at Hornsey.</p>
<p>In any case, fast line platforms at stations such as this simply wouldn’t exist in any format on today’s railway - see how they’re managed at stations like Hanwell (Great Western), Wembley Central (West Coast) and even some of the stations on the lines out of Victoria. Finsbury Park’s are very rarely used since the platform 1 work was completed. Ally Pally’s layout never had a platform on the down fast since the resignalling, but for flexibility an up fast platform face was retained. When work was completed to add a new platform on the Up Slow 2, this face was fenced off.</p>
<p>Such works might be possible on the up platform at Harringay (seeing as how it is an island between the two slow lines), but the down slow 2 is constrained by the joining chord from the Goblin, and the headshunt to Ferme Park sidings. At Hornsey the situation is reversed - an expensive rationalisation may allow a second down platform such as that one at AP, but the up slow 2 is constrained by the depot tracks.</p>
<p>Moral of the tale is, as you identified most concisely, that nothing is impossible, but for this exceptionally busy, cramped section of railway, it is staggeringly improbable.</p> I think this map conclusively…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-06-02:844301:Comment:12421562020-06-02T18:17:30.285ZDick Harrishttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DickHarris
<p>I think this map conclusively nails the question. Great digging!</p>
<p>I think this map conclusively nails the question. Great digging!</p> That’s interesting, Marcus. L…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-06-01:844301:Comment:12416392020-06-01T16:14:18.079ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>That’s interesting, Marcus. Looking at the existing Hollam House on Street View, I can see a sixties building trying to get out. How far back do your memories go? Do you have personal memories of the Wightman/Hornsey Park junction before it was aligned. </p>
<p>That’s interesting, Marcus. Looking at the existing Hollam House on Street View, I can see a sixties building trying to get out. How far back do your memories go? Do you have personal memories of the Wightman/Hornsey Park junction before it was aligned. </p> That is sad. Frankly I think…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-06-01:844301:Comment:12418882020-06-01T15:56:07.923ZArkadyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Arkady
<p>That is sad. Frankly I think there's both room and an aesthetic need for a nice corner building on that spot now, and it's rather surprising that it hasn't happened.</p>
<p>That is sad. Frankly I think there's both room and an aesthetic need for a nice corner building on that spot now, and it's rather surprising that it hasn't happened.</p>