The Gardens at Harringay House - the place, the plants the people - Harringay online2024-03-29T12:24:12Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-gardens-at-harringay-house-the-place-the-plants-the-people?groupUrl=historyofharringay&commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1494965&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks to questions emailed i…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-07-11:844301:Comment:15448122023-07-11T15:08:54.243ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Thanks to questions emailed in by HoL member Jennifer, I've made a couple of further additions. One is the long Floud quote in the paras under Fig 5, about the purpose of kitchen gardens in houses like Harringay. The other is a link in Note 11 to my 2009 piece on the Harringay hot house set-up.</p>
<p>Thanks to questions emailed in by HoL member Jennifer, I've made a couple of further additions. One is the long Floud quote in the paras under Fig 5, about the purpose of kitchen gardens in houses like Harringay. The other is a link in Note 11 to my 2009 piece on the Harringay hot house set-up.</p> A quick note to add that foll…tag:harringayonline.com,2023-06-20:844301:Comment:15424852023-06-20T17:13:35.894ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>A quick note to add that following am email from the RHS's Lindley Library in Vincent Square, the pdf version of this paper now forms a part of the collection of the Lindley Library. </p>
<p>A quick note to add that following am email from the RHS's Lindley Library in Vincent Square, the pdf version of this paper now forms a part of the collection of the Lindley Library. </p> Here's the original paragraph…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-05:844301:Comment:15197592022-12-05T02:18:48.180ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Here's the original paragraph from Lloyd's book. In fact this paragraph contains probably two errors. </p>
<p>Firstly, there's the Tudor mansion baloney. It's unapologetically wrong and was repeated ad-infinitum until I challenged it in 2007. (Though, I must admit, I'd love to discover than in fact it is I who have boobed and in fact there was indeed a completely undocumented mansion all along. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen)</p>
<p>Secondly, as I wrote in…</p>
<p>Here's the original paragraph from Lloyd's book. In fact this paragraph contains probably two errors. </p>
<p>Firstly, there's the Tudor mansion baloney. It's unapologetically wrong and was repeated ad-infinitum until I challenged it in 2007. (Though, I must admit, I'd love to discover than in fact it is I who have boobed and in fact there was indeed a completely undocumented mansion all along. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen)</p>
<p>Secondly, as I wrote in <a href="https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/edward-henry-chapman-of-harringay-house-harringay-a-city-merchant" target="_blank" rel="noopener">my recent history of Chapman</a>, I tried to find evidence for Lloyd's statement about Chapman's link to Overend & Gurney, including meeting with the Bank of England's banking historian in the Threadneedle Street premises. I could find nothing to support it. However, this too has been accepted as an unchallenged fact until this year.</p>
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<p>Below is Sherrington, published exactly 30 years later, repeating Lloyd's words verbatim. His 'Bosomed high' quote, that I cut off half-way, is from Keane's <em>Beauties of Middlesex</em> (1850). In the original book, it is set as a quote but with no attribution. <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10899585852?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10899585852?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> I missed that - thank you yet…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-04:844301:Comment:15196652022-12-04T13:11:01.199ZRichard Woodshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardWoods
<p>I missed that - thank you yet again!</p>
<p>I missed that - thank you yet again!</p> No, unequivocally not. I expl…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-03:844301:Comment:15195312022-12-03T14:55:11.553ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>No, unequivocally not. I explained it thusly in a footnote to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harringay_(1750%E2%80%931880)" rel="noopener" target="_blank">one of my Harringay Wikipedia pieces</a> back in 2007:</p>
<blockquote><p><cite class="citation book cs1" id="CITEREFSherrington1904">S<em>herrington, R.O. (1904). Story of Hornsey. F.E. Robinson & Co.</em></cite></p>
<p><span>In claimimg that there was a 'Tudor mansion', Sherrington only refers to William Keane's…</span></p>
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<p>No, unequivocally not. I explained it thusly in a footnote to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harringay_(1750%E2%80%931880)" target="_blank" rel="noopener">one of my Harringay Wikipedia pieces</a> back in 2007:</p>
<blockquote><p><cite id="CITEREFSherrington1904" class="citation book cs1">S<em>herrington, R.O. (1904). Story of Hornsey. F.E. Robinson & Co.</em></cite></p>
<p><span>In claimimg that there was a 'Tudor mansion', Sherrington only refers to William Keane's description of Harringay House (see reference note below), Keane himself mentions only the fancy of a Norman castle on the site. The original source for the Tudor claim appears to have been made in 1888 by John Lloyd in his book 'History, Topography, and Antiquities of Highgate, In the County of Middlesex'. However, he offers no evidence nor reference for his claim. In fact, no evidence exists for either a Norman castle or a Tudor mansion either in maps or in texts.</span></p>
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<p>Since then, more maps and texts have become available to support what I wrote. There was absolutely no house on Downhills Field before Harringay House. However, the episode was useful for me, because it taught me never to take on trust what otjer 'trusted' historians have written. The manor house for Fernfield Manor, of which Downhill Field was a part, was <a href="https://harringayonline.com/photo/844301:Photo:60757" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Harringay Farm</a>, probably medieval, which stood on Tottenham Lane near where the junction with Ferme Park Road is today. </p> So there was no house in the…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-03:844301:Comment:15195912022-12-03T14:30:16.892ZRichard Woodshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardWoods
<p>So there was no house in the location until Harringay House was built? </p>
<p>So there was no house in the location until Harringay House was built? </p> The route of the New River wa…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-02:844301:Comment:15193962022-12-02T17:43:34.855ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>The route of the New River was precisely calculated so that water could flow from Hertfordshire to the City by gravity alone. That is what determined the loop. It should also be remembered that the New River was constructed in the seventeenth century. Harringay House didn't arrive until the end of the eighteenth, by which time the Downhills Filed (Harringay House) loop was getting on for 200 years old. You can also read in…</p>
<p>The route of the New River was precisely calculated so that water could flow from Hertfordshire to the City by gravity alone. That is what determined the loop. It should also be remembered that the New River was constructed in the seventeenth century. Harringay House didn't arrive until the end of the eighteenth, by which time the Downhills Filed (Harringay House) loop was getting on for 200 years old. You can also read in <a href="https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/a-river-through-it-development-of-the-new-river-and-water-works-i" target="_blank" rel="noopener">my piece on the river and Hornsey</a> how the other Hornsey loops were removed. </p> Just returned to this again a…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-02:844301:Comment:15193902022-12-02T15:01:03.434ZRichard Woodshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardWoods
<p>Just returned to this again and once again amazed it the huge loop that was put into the New River to get round Harringay House - and how it was culverted when the estate were built. Actually I was also surprised that the house was much further north than I had imagined. </p>
<p>Just returned to this again and once again amazed it the huge loop that was put into the New River to get round Harringay House - and how it was culverted when the estate were built. Actually I was also surprised that the house was much further north than I had imagined. </p> Delighted to read that you're…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-01:844301:Comment:15192652022-12-01T22:04:10.877ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Delighted to read that you're enjoying them - and an early merry Christmas to you!</p>
<p>Delighted to read that you're enjoying them - and an early merry Christmas to you!</p> Hugh. I have so much enjoyed…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-11-26:844301:Comment:15184952022-11-26T09:38:54.957ZJennifer Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JenniferBlain
<p>Hugh. I have so much enjoyed reading your articles about Harringay House as they have appeared in HoL and this booklet format is the icing on the cake. A Christmas present for myself and maybe one or two other similarly- minded friends.</p>
<p>Hugh. I have so much enjoyed reading your articles about Harringay House as they have appeared in HoL and this booklet format is the icing on the cake. A Christmas present for myself and maybe one or two other similarly- minded friends.</p>