TfL consulting on Bus changes, route 67 to be cut short at Dalston - Harringay online2024-03-28T08:29:55Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/tfl-consulting-on-bus-changes-route-67-to-be-cut-short-at-dalston?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1122493&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI do! Many people used to ge…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-11-02:844301:Comment:13320522020-11-02T13:51:15.374Zmaidikinshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/maidikins
<p>I do! Many people used to get on/off end of Roseberry avenue/Grays Inn Road/Chancery Lane/Holborn Circus.</p>
<p>I do! Many people used to get on/off end of Roseberry avenue/Grays Inn Road/Chancery Lane/Holborn Circus.</p> but that's not really what y…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-04-12:844301:Comment:11607572019-04-12T15:51:46.200ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p><em> but that's not really what you mean. You mean you want a direct service home</em></p>
<p>That's kind of the issue. The broader point was that there are generally already indirect services home that are probably quicker. There are options with tubes and trains but they're inconvenient because you have to change. If the bus is also inconvenient because you have to change then it becomes much less attractive.</p>
<p>Services running every few minutes would mitigate that but this isn't…</p>
<p><em> but that's not really what you mean. You mean you want a direct service home</em></p>
<p>That's kind of the issue. The broader point was that there are generally already indirect services home that are probably quicker. There are options with tubes and trains but they're inconvenient because you have to change. If the bus is also inconvenient because you have to change then it becomes much less attractive.</p>
<p>Services running every few minutes would mitigate that but this isn't going to be the case.</p> The consultation responses we…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-04-12:844301:Comment:11608622019-04-12T15:05:27.313ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p><em>The consultation responses were pretty much all negative and they've still gone ahead with the change, they'd clearly already decided what they were doing and the consultation was just a box ticking exercise.</em></p>
<p>I presume TfL obviously feel that the Kingsland Road corridor is overbussed. There ARE too many buses in London, mostly running half empty. Usage has dropped quite rapidly and not everyone is going to get a direct route to everywhere. As a supporter of public transport,…</p>
<p><em>The consultation responses were pretty much all negative and they've still gone ahead with the change, they'd clearly already decided what they were doing and the consultation was just a box ticking exercise.</em></p>
<p>I presume TfL obviously feel that the Kingsland Road corridor is overbussed. There ARE too many buses in London, mostly running half empty. Usage has dropped quite rapidly and not everyone is going to get a direct route to everywhere. As a supporter of public transport, I think that's sad - But it's a fact of life.</p>
<p>You wouldn't have to hang around at Dalston, you could also hang around at Stamford Hill, but that's not really what you mean. You mean you want a direct service home. Don't we all? That's the reason why I think a local service with a higher frequency that connects up with the trunk route services, in this case 149, 243, 349 (that provide a 3 minute service - on paper at least) at some point and the reason I chose Stamford Hill, would be a better option. </p>
<p></p> Many people, myself included,…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-04-12:844301:Comment:11608562019-04-12T13:22:24.560ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>Many people, myself included, won't bother getting the bus though if it involves changes. It's hard to predict how much extra time the change will add and how busy the next bus will be.</p>
<p>I get buses so I can just get on and get off when I get there. If I'm going to mess about with changes I may as well get the tube which is likely to be faster. Last night for instance I got the 67 home from Shoreditch, I'm not going to bother getting a bus half way home and hang around at 11pm in…</p>
<p>Many people, myself included, won't bother getting the bus though if it involves changes. It's hard to predict how much extra time the change will add and how busy the next bus will be.</p>
<p>I get buses so I can just get on and get off when I get there. If I'm going to mess about with changes I may as well get the tube which is likely to be faster. Last night for instance I got the 67 home from Shoreditch, I'm not going to bother getting a bus half way home and hang around at 11pm in Dalston waiting for the second half.</p>
<p>The consultation responses were pretty much all negative and they've still gone ahead with the change, they'd clearly already decided what they were doing and the consultation was just a box ticking exercise.</p> To be fair, the 67 does curre…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-04-12:844301:Comment:11605612019-04-12T11:04:07.615ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
<p>To be fair, the 67 does currently duplicate other services from St Ann's Road, Stamford Hill and along Kingsland Road, south of Dalston. Some cynics have commented that the curtailment to Dalston is only really being implemented in order to justify the Dalston bus station.</p>
<p>But a curtailment will provide empty seats northbound from Dalston in future and should make the route more reliable over the remaining section. I would suggest that perhaps a more local style route, from Stoke…</p>
<p>To be fair, the 67 does currently duplicate other services from St Ann's Road, Stamford Hill and along Kingsland Road, south of Dalston. Some cynics have commented that the curtailment to Dalston is only really being implemented in order to justify the Dalston bus station.</p>
<p>But a curtailment will provide empty seats northbound from Dalston in future and should make the route more reliable over the remaining section. I would suggest that perhaps a more local style route, from Stoke Newington/Stamford Hill to Wood Green at a slightly higher frequency, would be the ideal situation.</p> The results of this consultat…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-04-12:844301:Comment:11605602019-04-12T10:54:24.384ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>The results of this consultation have now been published</p>
<p><a href="https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/" target="_blank">https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/</a></p>
<p>The results of this consultation have now been published</p>
<p><a href="https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/" target="_blank">https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/</a></p> I lament it to some extent. O…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-10-08:844301:Comment:11244292018-10-08T11:30:46.875Zdubmillhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/dubmill
<p>I lament it to some extent. On the TfL website it says that the proposed rerouting via Farringdon Road will make the journey between Waterloo and Angel two minutes quicker. I don't see how that's possible. The eastbound traffic on Fleet Street can be heavy at times, such that the 341 is held up getting to the Fetter Lane turn-off. Once onto Fetter Lane there's usually only light traffic. If instead the bus has to continue through heavy traffic to Farringdon Road, as well as having to…</p>
<p>I lament it to some extent. On the TfL website it says that the proposed rerouting via Farringdon Road will make the journey between Waterloo and Angel two minutes quicker. I don't see how that's possible. The eastbound traffic on Fleet Street can be heavy at times, such that the 341 is held up getting to the Fetter Lane turn-off. Once onto Fetter Lane there's usually only light traffic. If instead the bus has to continue through heavy traffic to Farringdon Road, as well as having to approach Holborn Circus the long way round, how can it make the journey quicker?</p>
<p>EDIT: Now I understand. Looking at the map of the proposed route change, it's cutting out not only Fetter Lane but also Holborn Circus and the lower part of Rosebery Avenue. But I'm still dubious that at peak times the journey between Waterloo and Angel by the new route would be quicker.</p> Thanks for flagging this up.…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-10-08:844301:Comment:11244232018-10-08T09:10:06.169ZAlysonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlysonBradley
<p>Thanks for flagging this up. I get the weekly Tfl email about disruptions but failed to see the mention as it was a long way down the list instead of at the top where people might notice it (sent Oct 4th).</p>
<p>Even when I did read the summary there I can see no mention of 67 or 341. How do they think actual users will be aware if they don't do the obvious thing and put notices on the bus stops?? We don't all read the tfl website for fun!</p>
<p>Thanks for flagging this up. I get the weekly Tfl email about disruptions but failed to see the mention as it was a long way down the list instead of at the top where people might notice it (sent Oct 4th).</p>
<p>Even when I did read the summary there I can see no mention of 67 or 341. How do they think actual users will be aware if they don't do the obvious thing and put notices on the bus stops?? We don't all read the tfl website for fun!</p> The overall bus changes - sho…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-10-05:844301:Comment:11239072018-10-05T14:08:23.975ZDonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DonKeller
<p>The overall bus changes - shortening or scrapping some routes and reducing frequency on others - seem to sit very ill beside simultaneous TfL plans to remove the exemption from the Congestion Charge for private hire vehicles (ie minicabs and Ubers), specifically designed to make it too expensive for them to enter central London and, by implication, use "market forces" to put many of them out of business. I'm not defending cab drivers per se, but if the aim is to reduce pollution and…</p>
<p>The overall bus changes - shortening or scrapping some routes and reducing frequency on others - seem to sit very ill beside simultaneous TfL plans to remove the exemption from the Congestion Charge for private hire vehicles (ie minicabs and Ubers), specifically designed to make it too expensive for them to enter central London and, by implication, use "market forces" to put many of them out of business. I'm not defending cab drivers per se, but if the aim is to reduce pollution and congestion (partly at least caused by TfL's own failure to regulate Uber), then cutting bus services at the same time seems entirely counter-productive. If the aim's to get people onto public transport, surely this isn't the way to do it? Consultation on the Congestion Charge changes has closed, but it could still be mentioned if anyone's responding on the 67 and 341 changes.</p> We take the 341 to get to my…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-09-30:844301:Comment:11228632018-09-30T15:24:16.465ZJulieBhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JulieBartley
<p>We take the 341 to get to my son's frequent hospital appointments at Great Ormond St Hospital. So this small change to the route will have a big impact on us, I've completed the consultation.</p>
<p>We take the 341 to get to my son's frequent hospital appointments at Great Ormond St Hospital. So this small change to the route will have a big impact on us, I've completed the consultation.</p>