Sainsbury's Square Flats Launching in Hornsey this Weekend - Harringay online2024-03-28T10:03:26Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/sainsbury-s-square-flats-launching-in-hornsey-this-weekend?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A717709&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=no£300,000 to £500,000 is a lot…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-18:844301:Comment:7177092015-01-18T12:18:21.775ZMr Wodjacallimhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PatrickGrant
<p>£300,000 to £500,000 is a lot to pay for a flat. When I first came to London in 1976, a four story house near Newington Green was about £30,000 for considerably more space.</p>
<p>The way property prices are going, people will inherit mortgages instead of property. These prices are verging on insanity. If interest rates rise to realistic levels, there will be a lot of people in this area seriously out of pocket. There have been 40% price falls in the past and there is no reason why they…</p>
<p>£300,000 to £500,000 is a lot to pay for a flat. When I first came to London in 1976, a four story house near Newington Green was about £30,000 for considerably more space.</p>
<p>The way property prices are going, people will inherit mortgages instead of property. These prices are verging on insanity. If interest rates rise to realistic levels, there will be a lot of people in this area seriously out of pocket. There have been 40% price falls in the past and there is no reason why they wouldn't happen again.</p>
<p>The likes of Dave Cameron, Georgie Osborne and Mark Carney pursue economic policies of low interest rates which boost house prices to ridiculous and insane levels. The effect is to push up house values which fuels credit and second mortgages to boost the UK economy. It most likely boosts the economies of UK banks and manufacturing in developing countries which may be no bad thing for them.</p>
<p>But what it does do is rob a generation of the opportunity to have their own home.</p>
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<p></p> We could get another new wate…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-17:844301:Comment:7174812015-01-17T12:18:36.402ZMr Wodjacallimhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PatrickGrant
<p>We could get another new waterworks then? <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"></img></p>
<p>I heard not too long that when the flats were built by the waterworks, someone working there noticed lumps of brown stuff appearing on the sand filters. They then realised, it looked ike Sh*** you know what and smelt like it too. </p>
<p>Apparently, someone had connected the sewage pipe from the flats into a water pipe that connect the brook to waterworks. Reportedly, a huge row ensued between Thames Water, the Developer and…</p>
<p>We could get another new waterworks then? <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></p>
<p>I heard not too long that when the flats were built by the waterworks, someone working there noticed lumps of brown stuff appearing on the sand filters. They then realised, it looked ike Sh*** you know what and smelt like it too. </p>
<p>Apparently, someone had connected the sewage pipe from the flats into a water pipe that connect the brook to waterworks. Reportedly, a huge row ensued between Thames Water, the Developer and Haringey Council over the £20M needed to decomtaminate the plant and who was to blame.</p>
<p>A few years ago, the waterworks was rebuilt, yet none of this was ever reported in our local newspaper. Does anyone know if it is true - or is it an urban myth?</p>
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<p> </p> Great!
I had the same idea a…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-15:844301:Comment:7167542015-01-15T13:54:13.517ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>Great! </p>
<p>I had the same idea and copied the page to Labour councillors.</p>
<div>----- Original Message -----<div><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:alan.stanton@virgin.net" target="_self">Alan Stanton</a></div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vincent.carroll@haringey.gov.uk" rel="nofollow" title="vincent.carroll@haringey.gov.uk">Vincent Carroll</a> ; <a href="mailto:toni.mallett@haringey.gov.uk" rel="nofollow" title="toni.mallett@haringey.gov.uk">Toni Mallett</a> ;…</div>
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<p>Great! </p>
<p>I had the same idea and copied the page to Labour councillors.</p>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:53 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Update on Smithfield Square Hornsey - marketing campaign</div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Dear Labour Party Colleagues,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Here's an update on the Smithfield Square development in Hornsey which is attracting lots of interest in China. It's from today's Hong Kong Standard. In a couple of days you can pop along to the exhibition in Queens Road. But as many of you may be busy, I've downloaded the ad for your information.</font></div> Another big ad today. Flip t…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-15:844301:Comment:7164252015-01-15T00:11:46.657ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>Another big ad today. Flip to page 21.</p>
<p><a href="http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/</a></p>
<p>Another big ad today. Flip to page 21.</p>
<p><a href="http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/</a></p> That's interesting, Alan. Ma…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-13:844301:Comment:7160192015-01-13T10:59:07.184ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>That's interesting, Alan. Mainlanders have bought up so much property here that the market has gone through the roof and out of reach of even well-paid professional people. There's been a big hoo-ha about it and the government has had to bring in various deterrent measures such as raising stamp duty on luxury property and double duty if you re-sell within two years. They are also planning more public housing for those who can no longer afford to buy.</p>
<p>I'd never heard the new…</p>
<p>That's interesting, Alan. Mainlanders have bought up so much property here that the market has gone through the roof and out of reach of even well-paid professional people. There's been a big hoo-ha about it and the government has had to bring in various deterrent measures such as raising stamp duty on luxury property and double duty if you re-sell within two years. They are also planning more public housing for those who can no longer afford to buy.</p>
<p>I'd never heard the new car equation but it makes perfect sense. New is good in China! </p> Many thanks, Geraldine. It d…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-13:844301:Comment:7161762015-01-13T10:25:23.068ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>Many thanks, Geraldine. It does indeed help. A timely and clear example of what can happen if the market is simply allowed to let rip.</p>
<p>Zena and I met a software developer who told us she'd been to China to meet colleagues. One of them mentioned that he owned a flat in London. Which he'd bought off-plan as an investment. And which he left empty. Why? He explained that renting it would be like driving a new car out of the garage. Used, the value fell.</p>
<p>Many thanks, Geraldine. It does indeed help. A timely and clear example of what can happen if the market is simply allowed to let rip.</p>
<p>Zena and I met a software developer who told us she'd been to China to meet colleagues. One of them mentioned that he owned a flat in London. Which he'd bought off-plan as an investment. And which he left empty. Why? He explained that renting it would be like driving a new car out of the garage. Used, the value fell.</p> Alan - no, of course you're n…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-13:844301:Comment:7161732015-01-13T08:21:35.386ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>Alan - no, of course you're not suggesting London pulls up the drawbridge but I can well understand everyone's concern. In fact, Hong Kong is suffering too. These advertisements are not directed at Hong Kong people but at rich mainlanders. They are the ones who buy apartments, furnish them and leave them empty. It happens here too!</p>
<p>You won't need Google Translate as it's in today's HK Standard, which is an English language paper. Click on:…</p>
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<p>Alan - no, of course you're not suggesting London pulls up the drawbridge but I can well understand everyone's concern. In fact, Hong Kong is suffering too. These advertisements are not directed at Hong Kong people but at rich mainlanders. They are the ones who buy apartments, furnish them and leave them empty. It happens here too!</p>
<p>You won't need Google Translate as it's in today's HK Standard, which is an English language paper. Click on:</p>
<p><a href="http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://paper.thestandard.com.hk/</a></p>
<p>You may have to go to the 'flip the pages' version. The advertisement is on page 15.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p> Marvellous! Over now to our…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-13:844301:Comment:7161672015-01-13T08:03:05.645ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>Marvellous<em>!</em> Over now to our correspondent in Hong Kong who has been following the marketing of these flats in the local press there.</p>
<p>I don't suppose, Geraldine, that there are some online links you could send? So we can see how this is being marketed? (And test out Google translate.)</p>
<p>John Mc has of course spelled out some of the implications of this trend with his comments about Woodberry Down.</p>
<p>And so has Peter Rees, the former Chief Planning officer of the…</p>
<p>Marvellous<em>!</em> Over now to our correspondent in Hong Kong who has been following the marketing of these flats in the local press there.</p>
<p>I don't suppose, Geraldine, that there are some online links you could send? So we can see how this is being marketed? (And test out Google translate.)</p>
<p>John Mc has of course spelled out some of the implications of this trend with his comments about Woodberry Down.</p>
<p>And so has Peter Rees, the former Chief Planning officer of the City of London. Whatever you think of the buildings his Department approved, he always paid attention to street life.</p>
<p>Which made it even more significant when <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/london-skyline-planner-sees-empty-luxury-homes-hurting-city.html" target="_blank">in April 2014 Peter Rees spoke out</a></span> on about the dangers of overseas investors "... buying ... apartments, furnishing them, locking the door and leaving them empty”. ... “Large parts of London are becoming ghost towns and a lot of the young people who come to work here can’t find anywhere to live”. <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303847804579481130326316134" target="_blank">In another interview saying</a></span> he was "waiting for the tumbleweeds to start blowing down main street".</p>
<p>Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting London should somehow "pull up the drawbridge" and cease being <a href="http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/r4shakespeare/r4shakespeare_20120501-1400a.mp3" target="_blank">a world city</a>. That would be economic and cultural suicide.</p> Right. I am in Hong Kong. B…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-13:844301:Comment:7160112015-01-13T00:41:42.480ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>Right. I am in Hong Kong. Big ads in the papers here.</p>
<p>Right. I am in Hong Kong. Big ads in the papers here.</p> Someone managed to get the St…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-01-08:844301:Comment:7143432015-01-08T07:45:22.693ZFinsbury Park Rangerhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/FinsburyParkRanger
Someone managed to get the Standard to bill the exact area as the top up and coming area for 2015 in the whole of North London yesterday. What a coincidence.
Someone managed to get the Standard to bill the exact area as the top up and coming area for 2015 in the whole of North London yesterday. What a coincidence.