Revised Boundary Commission Proposals merge Harringay with Hackney & South Tottenham to Create New Constituency - Harringay online2024-03-28T12:55:10Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/revised-boundary-commission-proposals-merge-harringay-with-hackne?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A427769&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI know, Alan. I was hoping to…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-11-05:844301:Comment:4277692012-11-05T13:15:22.178ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I know, Alan. I was hoping to forestall the discussion opening up on it, not to encourage it.</p>
<p>I know, Alan. I was hoping to forestall the discussion opening up on it, not to encourage it.</p> Hugh, There's no suggestion t…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-11-05:844301:Comment:4279662012-11-05T13:13:37.378ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>Hugh, There's no suggestion that Neville, JJ Best or me are trying to "go over Wards Corner differences" in this thread. As I see it, the issue we've raised is very much about electoral boundaries. It relates to the links between these areas, elected representatives, and local people's identification with and concern for a place/neighbourhood and their involvement in discussions about its future.</p>
<p>On 5 October Pam Isherwood asked me about the Wards Corner planning application which I…</p>
<p>Hugh, There's no suggestion that Neville, JJ Best or me are trying to "go over Wards Corner differences" in this thread. As I see it, the issue we've raised is very much about electoral boundaries. It relates to the links between these areas, elected representatives, and local people's identification with and concern for a place/neighbourhood and their involvement in discussions about its future.</p>
<p>On 5 October Pam Isherwood asked me about the Wards Corner planning application which I sat on. <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.harringayonline.com/xn/detail/844301:Comment:416831" target="_blank">I answered Pam that day</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p>But I can't prevent Will Hoyle repeating the same question on another thread.</p> If you guys want to go over t…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-11-05:844301:Comment:4279592012-11-05T12:07:50.451ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>If you guys want to go over the Wards Corner differences between you again, can I ask please that you take it back to one of the many Wards Corner threads. Thanks.</p>
<p>If you guys want to go over the Wards Corner differences between you again, can I ask please that you take it back to one of the many Wards Corner threads. Thanks.</p> I agree, JJB. Entrenching and…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-11-04:844301:Comment:4276212012-11-04T16:36:11.560ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>I agree, JJB. Entrenching and probably deepening the problems. Though I very much hope we are both wrong.</p>
<p>But I don't agree it's entirely cynical. Of course there are policy-free New Labour apparatchiks who haven't a clue about Tottenham and seem entirely incapable of, or uninterested in learning.</p>
<p>But there are also people who are doing the wrong things with the very best of intentions.</p>
<p>Neville, again I suspect we agree. However, it's hard to know the thinking…</p>
<p>I agree, JJB. Entrenching and probably deepening the problems. Though I very much hope we are both wrong.</p>
<p>But I don't agree it's entirely cynical. Of course there are policy-free New Labour apparatchiks who haven't a clue about Tottenham and seem entirely incapable of, or uninterested in learning.</p>
<p>But there are also people who are doing the wrong things with the very best of intentions.</p>
<p>Neville, again I suspect we agree. However, it's hard to know the thinking underpinning the plans of, for example, the "Tottenham Taskforce".</p>
<p>So I hear that "Sir" Stuart Lipton recently wrote a substantial report - which may of course, be tremendously insightful and positive. But neither you not I are yet permitted to read the wise words of Boris's emissary to us in the colonies.</p> And the Council's cynical pol…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-11-04:844301:Comment:4275202012-11-04T15:51:29.301ZJJ Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JJB
<p>And the Council's cynical policies are entrenching the problems despite the "regeneration" propaganda!</p>
<p>And the Council's cynical policies are entrenching the problems despite the "regeneration" propaganda!</p> @Alan:
"So I look forward to…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-10-30:844301:Comment:4264732012-10-30T21:22:19.445ZNeville Collinshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Nev2020
<p>@Alan:</p>
<p>"So I look forward to interesting new coinages in Tottenham as poor people are removed to who-knows-where and replaced by gentrified areas in the Spurs/Koberplan."</p>
<p>LOL. You're absolutely right... except that it will never happen. The riots last year have seen to that. This plan concocted by the council will never succeed. As you well know, the area has long had a regular population churn, making it impossible for any public service to be planned effectively.</p>
<p>@Alan:</p>
<p>"So I look forward to interesting new coinages in Tottenham as poor people are removed to who-knows-where and replaced by gentrified areas in the Spurs/Koberplan."</p>
<p>LOL. You're absolutely right... except that it will never happen. The riots last year have seen to that. This plan concocted by the council will never succeed. As you well know, the area has long had a regular population churn, making it impossible for any public service to be planned effectively.</p> Twin Peaks (between Ally Pall…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-10-30:844301:Comment:4264462012-10-30T18:24:36.842ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
Twin Peaks (between Ally Pally and the climbing centre at The Castle).. Has a good ring and you can get a great cup of Joe and pie at Moko. All we need is an MP called Laura Palmer.
Twin Peaks (between Ally Pally and the climbing centre at The Castle).. Has a good ring and you can get a great cup of Joe and pie at Moko. All we need is an MP called Laura Palmer. Ealing, Acton and Shepherds B…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-10-30:844301:Comment:4260062012-10-30T12:26:23.930ZElleCarumbahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ElleCarumba
<p>Ealing, Acton and Shepherds Bush constituency used to include Ealing council wards and Hammersmith council wards but the boundaries there were rejigged for the 2010 election and now the parliamentary seats match the council boundaries.</p>
<p>Ealing, Acton and Shepherds Bush constituency used to include Ealing council wards and Hammersmith council wards but the boundaries there were rejigged for the 2010 election and now the parliamentary seats match the council boundaries.</p> Oh the poor Stroud Greenies -…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-10-30:844301:Comment:4259942012-10-30T10:13:01.982ZClive Carterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/CliveCarter
<blockquote><p>Oh the poor Stroud Greenies - stuck between the aspiration of being an Islingtonian or a Crouch Ender</p>
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<p>Billy it may interest you to know that the local Conservative Party went to a little trouble to research - in a non-partisan way - the history of Stroud Green Ward. That paper was presented at a meeting of the Stroud Green Residents Association (SGRA) and impressed residents of differing political allegiances. Copies were asked for, for wider distribution…</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh the poor Stroud Greenies - stuck between the aspiration of being an Islingtonian or a Crouch Ender</p>
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<p>Billy it may interest you to know that the local Conservative Party went to a little trouble to research - in a non-partisan way - the history of Stroud Green Ward. That paper was presented at a meeting of the Stroud Green Residents Association (SGRA) and impressed residents of differing political allegiances. Copies were asked for, for wider distribution because the information and contribution was recognised as valuable.</p>
<p>The MP for Tottenham and Tristram Hunt MP (both Labour), are valued residents of Stroud Green. Haringey Council's leader of the Opposition and his Deputy (LibDem) are both valued Councillors for Stroud Green Ward.</p>
<p>Former Haringey Council Leader Toby Harris lives in the Ward.</p>
<p>Stroud "Greenies" (once a target ward for the Party of that name) are far from stuck between geo-aspirations; it appears it is others who aspire to live in or be associated with Stroud Green and not the other way around!</p> It's only in the very short t…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-10-30:844301:Comment:4261862012-10-30T09:55:58.780ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>It's only in the very short term that cities and neighbourhoods stay in the same place. Over centuries they are rapidly expanding and contracting; being rebuilt, infilled, sometimes torn down, and even bombed.</p>
<p>It also seems there's a tendency for poorer areas to "shrink" and for richer neighbourhoods to expand. This may happen literally - with people and their homes in the poorer parts bulldozed out of the way. People may also claim residence in enlarged versions of fashionable area.…</p>
<p>It's only in the very short term that cities and neighbourhoods stay in the same place. Over centuries they are rapidly expanding and contracting; being rebuilt, infilled, sometimes torn down, and even bombed.</p>
<p>It also seems there's a tendency for poorer areas to "shrink" and for richer neighbourhoods to expand. This may happen literally - with people and their homes in the poorer parts bulldozed out of the way. People may also claim residence in enlarged versions of fashionable area. Has West Hampstead reached East Highbury yet? Anyone fancy Far East Crouch End Surburbs? And of course developers and estate agents invent new pretend places - like the fabulous <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/alanstanton/5285043699/" target="_blank">"Hale Village"</a>.</p>
<p>Gentrified parts of Manhattan have been redesignated with whizzy new names. For example, they now have their own Soho - for SOuth of HOuston Street. So I look forward to interesting new coinages in Tottenham as poor people are removed to who-knows-where and replaced by gentrified areas in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.haringey.gov.uk/vision-for-tottenham-unveiled.htm" target="_blank">Spurs/Koberplan</a></strong></span>.</p>
<p>Bad jokes aside - and the Plan for Tottenham is a very poor joke - there is a very important job for a local MP to speak up for and represent Tottenham as a whole. And not simply as a "development opportunity" for large landowners; and "Sir this" and "Lord that" swanning-in.</p>
<p>This is especially the case in Haringey after the riots because of the almost total leadership vacuum in the Council. David Lammy was the only elected local politician who made any substantial contribution in ideas and understanding. People may disagree with what he said and wrote. But in Parliament and with all three national party leaders he had the stature to speak on behalf of Tottenham.</p>
<p>Currently, slicing-up Tottenham constituency may make sense adminstratively. But not politically.</p>
<p><em>(Elected Labour councillor Tottenham Hale)</em></p>