'Reclaim These Streets' - Harringay online2024-03-29T05:47:33Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/reclaim-these-streets?id=844301%3ATopic%3A1466169&feed=yes&xn_auth=no%27Reclaim%20These%20Streets%…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-12-03:844301:Comment:14669822021-12-03T22:32:39.461ZStevehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SteveJones
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<p>A polite reminder for the 'Reclaim These Streets' march setting off from and through Finsbury Park at 4pm. It's due to hit Green Lanes at Manor House at around 5pm and on to Ducketts Common for a few short speeches including Catherine West MP. The event will be led by women but all supporters are…</p>
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<p>A polite reminder for the 'Reclaim These Streets' march setting off from and through Finsbury Park at 4pm. It's due to hit Green Lanes at Manor House at around 5pm and on to Ducketts Common for a few short speeches including Catherine West MP. The event will be led by women but all supporters are welcome.</p>
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<p>Please do your best to attend and forward the flyer others who may be interested.</p>
<p></p> I fully understand the point…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14663582021-11-29T23:19:44.017ZStevehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SteveJones
<p>I fully understand the point in relation to marching for marchings sake. Over the years I've been on more than I care to remember. However, having distribued many leaflets for this event I have engaged many people in positive conversation, men and women, and it has highlighted the importance of discussion and debate about why women feel unsafe. If this encourages a positive reaction and along the way generates a change in behaviour of the perpetrators of abuse it has to be a good…</p>
<p>I fully understand the point in relation to marching for marchings sake. Over the years I've been on more than I care to remember. However, having distribued many leaflets for this event I have engaged many people in positive conversation, men and women, and it has highlighted the importance of discussion and debate about why women feel unsafe. If this encourages a positive reaction and along the way generates a change in behaviour of the perpetrators of abuse it has to be a good thing.</p>
<p>So, I agree, a march in and of itself isn't enough.</p> And Doodle, as for the incide…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14662762021-11-29T19:08:52.085ZOld-Age-Emporium(OAE)https://harringayonline.com/profile/OldAgeEmporiumOAE
<p>And Doodle, as for the incidence of Lol on Hol, there I really do have an issue.</p>
<p>And Doodle, as for the incidence of Lol on Hol, there I really do have an issue.</p> Indeed Bee, if I may issue a…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14662742021-11-29T19:06:43.496ZOld-Age-Emporium(OAE)https://harringayonline.com/profile/OldAgeEmporiumOAE
<p>Indeed Bee, if I may issue a rejoinder, you have recognised the bee in my bonnet. Very perspicacious.</p>
<p>Indeed Bee, if I may issue a rejoinder, you have recognised the bee in my bonnet. Very perspicacious.</p> Loltag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14662612021-11-29T16:08:35.904ZDoodlehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Doodle
<p>Lol</p>
<p>Lol</p> I have long had an issue with…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14660992021-11-29T12:26:33.729ZOld-Age-Emporium(OAE)https://harringayonline.com/profile/OldAgeEmporiumOAE
<p>I have long had an issue with the serious abuse or misuse or overuse of this word 'issue'. Here again we have it from Steve's OP (<em>This issue has long been an issue in Haringey</em>) while Doodle has <em>"issues with marches in general</em>" and for Brian "<em>the issue is violence in general</em>".</p>
<p>For me, <em>issue</em> is just another emission polluting the discourse. Whatever happened to <em>problem</em> or <em>difficulty</em> or just a <em>passing point of view</em> ?</p>
<p>I have long had an issue with the serious abuse or misuse or overuse of this word 'issue'. Here again we have it from Steve's OP (<em>This issue has long been an issue in Haringey</em>) while Doodle has <em>"issues with marches in general</em>" and for Brian "<em>the issue is violence in general</em>".</p>
<p>For me, <em>issue</em> is just another emission polluting the discourse. Whatever happened to <em>problem</em> or <em>difficulty</em> or just a <em>passing point of view</em> ?</p> You might be right Xavier. I'…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14662492021-11-29T12:03:20.610ZBrian Mahoneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianMahoney
<p style="text-align: left;">You might be right Xavier. I'm in favour of anything that makes the streets safer but I do take your point and that of Doodle (if I have interpreted it correctly). Generic criticism of men and 'male violence' just ostracises half the population. The issue is violence in general. The fact that violence occurs in female only environments as well (such as prisons) indicates that the problem is not gender determined. Yes, women who suffer violence usually suffer it at…</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">You might be right Xavier. I'm in favour of anything that makes the streets safer but I do take your point and that of Doodle (if I have interpreted it correctly). Generic criticism of men and 'male violence' just ostracises half the population. The issue is violence in general. The fact that violence occurs in female only environments as well (such as prisons) indicates that the problem is not gender determined. Yes, women who suffer violence usually suffer it at the hands of a man. Men who suffer violence also usually suffer it at the hands of a man. We should come together on this. Its the behaviour thats the problem, not the gender of the perpetrators.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I hope the march is successful. It all helps.</p> Most of these marches and dem…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14660362021-11-29T11:48:43.279ZXavierhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/XavierCarbonelli
<p>Most of these marches and demonstrations have become homogenised and just seem to collect the same social media watchers who will just join for the sake of it. You can spot the hangers-on by the TORIES OUT, SAVE THE NHS, BLM and XR placards they carry, mostly irrelevant to the actual march. The demo in question stems from the vile actions of Wayne Couzens, but, for instance, the experiences of the 17 year old girl mentioned above it would be better if the demonstrations could be more…</p>
<p>Most of these marches and demonstrations have become homogenised and just seem to collect the same social media watchers who will just join for the sake of it. You can spot the hangers-on by the TORIES OUT, SAVE THE NHS, BLM and XR placards they carry, mostly irrelevant to the actual march. The demo in question stems from the vile actions of Wayne Couzens, but, for instance, the experiences of the 17 year old girl mentioned above it would be better if the demonstrations could be more specific as to who is perpetrating the sexism, violence and abuse (name and shame), rather than just the generic 'men', but maybe that is too much of a cultural 'hot potato'. George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach, he gets worldwide mourners, many are women, and I'd bet some are even on this demo.</p> Its a very worthy cause but I…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-29:844301:Comment:14660312021-11-29T08:23:55.352ZDoodlehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Doodle
<p>Its a very worthy cause but I have issues with marches in general as I find there are so many of them that they become futile. If a million people marching against the Iraq war in 2003 didn't change anything then a couple of hundred people marching the mile or so from FP to DC isn't going to change anything I'm afraid, other than just be another demonstration amongst an ever increasing catalogue of demonstrations. I'm afraid I've become desensitised to demonstrations as they just don't work.…</p>
<p>Its a very worthy cause but I have issues with marches in general as I find there are so many of them that they become futile. If a million people marching against the Iraq war in 2003 didn't change anything then a couple of hundred people marching the mile or so from FP to DC isn't going to change anything I'm afraid, other than just be another demonstration amongst an ever increasing catalogue of demonstrations. I'm afraid I've become desensitised to demonstrations as they just don't work. And what are the aims of this demonstration and what is the solution to this problem? I guess it'll be something along the lines of a male curfew etc? </p> Hi Brian. Thanks for your pos…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-28:844301:Comment:14661772021-11-28T22:32:53.611ZStevehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SteveJones
<p>Hi Brian. Thanks for your positive response. The campaign and it's name was decided before any support offered by myself and my trade union, CWU. It's only a guess but it may be different because it is specifically a Haringey initiative. I recall many years ago there being a lot of concern expressed on HoL about harassment on Green Lanes. I'd like to think things have improved but not according to my 17yr old daughter. </p>
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<p>Hi Brian. Thanks for your positive response. The campaign and it's name was decided before any support offered by myself and my trade union, CWU. It's only a guess but it may be different because it is specifically a Haringey initiative. I recall many years ago there being a lot of concern expressed on HoL about harassment on Green Lanes. I'd like to think things have improved but not according to my 17yr old daughter. </p>
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