Portuguese High Society In Late Georgian Woodberry Down - Harringay online2024-03-29T08:25:58Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/portuguese-high-society-in-late-georgian-woodberry-down?groupUrl=historyofharringay&commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1069000&groupId=844301%3AGroup%3A10&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLink to Library of Congress A…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-08-14:844301:Comment:11106652018-08-14T15:59:50.845ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p><a href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no2018106040.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link to Library of Congress Authority Record</a> featuring your favourite local website!</p>
<p><a href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no2018106040.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link to Library of Congress Authority Record</a> featuring your favourite local website!</p> An unexpected bonus for your…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-08-12:844301:Comment:11102492018-08-12T22:04:05.779ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>An unexpected bonus for your research, Hugh. What a place of discovery for a historian the internet has proved to be.</p>
<p>An unexpected bonus for your research, Hugh. What a place of discovery for a historian the internet has proved to be.</p> I've been surprised yet again…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-08-12:844301:Comment:11099212018-08-12T11:47:23.030ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I've been surprised yet again at how far the internet carries HoL's wee voice. </p>
<p>Last week I was contacted by a curator at the New York Public Library. He wrote:</p>
<p><em>I used your article to establish the birth and death dates of Marreco in <a href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no2018106040.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank">a Library of Congress Name Authority Record</a></em></p>
<p>And why was he interested? Well, his particular specialism includes Mary Shelley, authour…</p>
<p>I've been surprised yet again at how far the internet carries HoL's wee voice. </p>
<p>Last week I was contacted by a curator at the New York Public Library. He wrote:</p>
<p><em>I used your article to establish the birth and death dates of Marreco in <a href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no2018106040.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">a Library of Congress Name Authority Record</a></em></p>
<p>And why was he interested? Well, his particular specialism includes Mary Shelley, authour of Frankenstein. Apparently Marreco and Mary Shelley's family became friends</p>
<p><em>We have a manuscript letter from Mary Shelley (the author) to him from the 1830’s. The letter is published, but “F. Marreco” has long been considered “unidentified” by Shelley scholars — the post on your site I read today helped me put all the pieces together.</em></p>
<p>The NYPL curator also told me that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Godwin" target="_blank" rel="noopener">William Godwin</a>, the philosopher (Mary Shelley's father) mentions dining with Marreco at Mary's home along with other literary luminati including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeida_Garrett" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Almeida Garrett</a>. As I ~mentioned in my original post, Garret also stayed with Marreco in Woodberry Down. (By the by, Shelley's mother was famed early women's right campaigner <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Mary Wollstonecraft</a> - who opened a school just down the road from Woodberry Down, in Newington Green).</p>
<p>I never cease to be amazed by just how many connections can be made from the tiniest threads of history, and just how far those connections travel, both in the past and in the present day.</p> That's interesting. I suppose…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-12:844301:Comment:10731772018-04-12T12:15:10.220ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>That's interesting. I suppose there have long been quite close connections between the two countries so we perhaps shouldn't be surprised, but it's nothing I've heard about before. </p>
<p>I see two of my pictures have disappeared, I'll put them back.</p>
<p>That's interesting. I suppose there have long been quite close connections between the two countries so we perhaps shouldn't be surprised, but it's nothing I've heard about before. </p>
<p>I see two of my pictures have disappeared, I'll put them back.</p> Amazing research yet again Hu…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-12:844301:Comment:10730382018-04-12T10:42:02.693ZMichelehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/MicheledeBroglio
<p>Amazing research yet again Hugh. Makes me what to explore the Portuguese side of my family - my great, great, great , great grandmother. When we lived off seven sisters rd near Stamford hill school in the 90's there were a few Portuguese families in the area, some quite large.</p>
<p>Amazing research yet again Hugh. Makes me what to explore the Portuguese side of my family - my great, great, great , great grandmother. When we lived off seven sisters rd near Stamford hill school in the 90's there were a few Portuguese families in the area, some quite large.</p> Hello! :)
Not very good at Hi…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-03-30:844301:Comment:10698952018-03-30T10:35:26.644ZAna Remhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AnaRem
<p>Hello! :)</p>
<p>Not very good at History here but I am a Portuguese national living in Haringey since 2001. The Portuguese community here was very small when I arrived but is now much bigger. I often hear the language when walking around, especially in Wood Green.</p>
<p>Hello! :)</p>
<p>Not very good at History here but I am a Portuguese national living in Haringey since 2001. The Portuguese community here was very small when I arrived but is now much bigger. I often hear the language when walking around, especially in Wood Green.</p> Absolutely, Hugh and Geraldin…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-03-28:844301:Comment:10694432018-03-28T10:40:41.835ZPeterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Peter
<p>Absolutely, Hugh and Geraldine - fascinating how wide-ranging these connections are, and how early the Portuguese arrived in various places across the globe.</p>
<p>I've long been wondering about today's Portuguese community in Harringay. Anyone?</p>
<p>Absolutely, Hugh and Geraldine - fascinating how wide-ranging these connections are, and how early the Portuguese arrived in various places across the globe.</p>
<p>I've long been wondering about today's Portuguese community in Harringay. Anyone?</p> Ah, yes, I have visited Melak…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-03-28:844301:Comment:10691372018-03-28T10:11:55.292ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>Ah, yes, I have visited Melakka - such an interesting place, with brightly-painted Dutch buildings around every corner. In Southern India, too, you can find remnants of the Dutch, Portuguese and Chinese, and even a few Jewish synagogues. Food survives the centuries as well, skipping from continent to continent, and there are still Keralan Jewish recipes to be found. Macau's national dish is Portuguese African Chicken and very good it is too!</p>
<p>You are so right that wherever we went,…</p>
<p>Ah, yes, I have visited Melakka - such an interesting place, with brightly-painted Dutch buildings around every corner. In Southern India, too, you can find remnants of the Dutch, Portuguese and Chinese, and even a few Jewish synagogues. Food survives the centuries as well, skipping from continent to continent, and there are still Keralan Jewish recipes to be found. Macau's national dish is Portuguese African Chicken and very good it is too!</p>
<p>You are so right that wherever we went, the Portuguese had been there first. Still, who would have dreamt there would be a corner of Portugal in Woodberry Down. Life is full of surprises. Keep digging, Hugh.</p> Glad you both enjoyed it. It…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-03-27:844301:Comment:10692432018-03-27T10:51:20.857ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Glad you both enjoyed it. It seems like for so many places where the British ended up in Asia, the Portuguese and Dutch were there first. I spend some time each year in Malaysia, Geraldine. No doubt you'll know Melakka and its Portuguese-Dutch-British history.</p>
<p>What I find interesting when I do these wee micro-studies is how they rarely end up being just local. They always end up showing how our local history is very much connected way beyond our little corner of North London. Whether…</p>
<p>Glad you both enjoyed it. It seems like for so many places where the British ended up in Asia, the Portuguese and Dutch were there first. I spend some time each year in Malaysia, Geraldine. No doubt you'll know Melakka and its Portuguese-Dutch-British history.</p>
<p>What I find interesting when I do these wee micro-studies is how they rarely end up being just local. They always end up showing how our local history is very much connected way beyond our little corner of North London. Whether it's a commercial connection like the birth of the British rubber industry, the local craftsmen who made part of the Greenwich Observatory and the House of Commons, or it's personal like the local kindertransport hostels or the development of the Hurlingham club or the Russian emigres seeking safety after the Russian revolution, it's following the links of what might seem at first glance to be flat local history that is one of the things that fascinates me most.</p> Most interesting, Hugh. I ha…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-03-27:844301:Comment:10690002018-03-27T02:09:35.240ZGeraldinehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GeraldineTaylorThomas
<p>Most interesting, Hugh. I have forwarded to a friend from a centuries-old Portuguese family here in Hong Kong. There are many locals with Portuguese names here. Most are the descendants of Chinese-Portuguese intermarriage.</p>
<p>Most interesting, Hugh. I have forwarded to a friend from a centuries-old Portuguese family here in Hong Kong. There are many locals with Portuguese names here. Most are the descendants of Chinese-Portuguese intermarriage.</p>