Below are notes taken by local resident Jason Beazley and reproduced with his kind permission. Has has asked me to make it clear they they represent his personal views.
Here are my notes from last night's Hornsey Depot consultation.
Rather than go over it all I advise you to read my previous notes sent to you on this.
What follows is a clarification and update. They offered further information than my last set of notes sent to you. They are:
After a presentation from the commissioned Architects, we were asked to work in small groups to discuss 3 main questions.
This was followed by a quick feedback session. Most of the people were residents (and I think only I was from the trade association.)
Some of the points discussed at the end of the workshop were.
Traffic generated and or Parking:
Here many agreed that the council should provide more parking as the whole issue of parking since the introduction of the South Hornsey High St CPZ(SHHSCPZ) had made most of the roads north of the High Street a nightmare to park. I lived the furthest away in Linzee and I agreed with this.
We pointed out the Traffic hotspots on the HS and discussed the possible opening of Cross Lane. We suggested that the whole issue of traffic flow and parking North of the HS needs more thought as what they do on their adjacent roads affects all those roads off Nightingale Lane and should be considered as a whole avoiding setting up rat runs and dangerous out points on to the HS.
Amongst their suggestions were that the 60% of residential units (possibly 240 cars without parking spaces, can be made into on street CPZ parking around the area north of the HS. The people that live on roads currently affected by the SHHS CPZ were split 50/50 on the expansion of the CPZ north of the HS.
The suggested height of the private residential units:
After a long discussion we agreed that 10 stories was too high for the position of this development in HHS.
10 stories! Blimey. Yes, keeping the facia sounds like a reasonable idea, but that would involve creative thinking which corporates rarely do.
More notes from the meeting. These from Lesley Ramm:
Attended exhibition and workshop 10/6/13
St James Homes from website:
Design and environment working together. St James began life in 1996 as a joint venture between the Berkeley Group and Thames Water. Many of its first developments were on brownfield land where water was, or had been, a feature: for example at The Hamptons in Worcester Park or New River Village in Hornsey, north London. Since then St James has established a reputation as a design conscious developer who continues to regenerate redundant sites as attractive developments whose design has a positive impact on the environment. Not all involve water; and many include the refurbishment of important historic buildings, such as Queen Mary's Place in Roehampton or Kingsway Square in Battersea. As well as private developments of homes and apartments, projects also embrace commercial property, recreational and community facilities, with creative solutions that deliver every aspect of sustainable mixed use development and respond to the needs of today's
homebuyers and communities.
Not in attendance
Hornsey Ward Cllrs Gorrie, Whyte (attending exhibition Saturday), Reid (attended Tuesday workshop)
30 minute delay in starting.
Presentation caused many questions
Stated Pembroke House development is only residential - I advised planning application states start up businesses fronting Campsbourne Rd on ground floor is integral to development
Land is jointly owned 28% Sainsbury / 72% Council (who had no official representation at workshop)
Sainsbury refuse to have social housing on top of store due to "management" issues (accused by some of creating ghettos and operating a form of apartheid)
New work/life units (businesses I assume) on west side of Cross Lane
Opening hours may be 8am-11pm M-Sat and 10-4 Sunday
Possibility of 90 minutes free parking for shoppers AND locals not using store
Drainage - into New River and Moselle
Moselle in such poor state / quality of water, it cannot be above ground (same said for Heartlands development by council)
Residents would be unable to apply for CPZ permits when a North Hornsey CPZ is bought in which they seemed to think was a done deal
42% residences will be affordable/social housing (similar to NRV original promise which ended up much reduced)
Social housing in separate block on Miles Rd
One block will be 10 storeys high in direct line of site along Newland Road as far as Linzee Road
Groups then discussed and presented views
Issues raised by locals in attendance
Impacts on traffic
In accessing the development directly from High St entrance (cars and delivery lorries, as well as construction lorries)
Other nearby developments
Impacts on parking
Impact of large increase in residents with insufficient
Loss of local Recycling Facility
Demolition of Bathhouse frontage
Impact on High Street shops
Local resident for 60 years
I did not know about the meeting and would certainly have attended. When this project was first mooted, a committee of local residents, many of whom had never previously been involved in public comment, was supported by old campaigning environmentalists including some from Friends of the Earth and the Tree Trust for Haringey worried about the destruction of a stand of trees near the entrance. Your notes indicate that this was 15 years ago so I must have been 69 when I joined others climbing the trees to protest against their totally unnecessary felling .(I think this was one of the many occasions when that idiotic excuse -"we're planting other trees there" totally ignoring how long it takes to establish trees.) I'd be grateful to learn where I can see the latest plans and if there is going to be another meeting Sally M
thank you SM