Not even London will have a ‘London-style’ transport system - Harringay online2024-03-28T13:43:18Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/not-even-london-will-have-a-london-style-transport-system?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1464738&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAndy H - we didn't "bomb the…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-20:844301:Comment:14647382021-11-20T12:47:02.453ZBrian Mahoneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianMahoney
<p>Andy H - we didn't "bomb the #####" out of Iraq, Syria and Adghanistan. The UK is in no way responsible for the migrant crisis in the middle east.</p>
<p>We were at war with the former Iraqi regime about 10 years ago. The resulting internal power struggle did displace people but that wasn't due to the UK. We didn't bomb Syria either. The refugees fleeing Syria were escaping the civil war (Government, anti Government and Daesh). In Afghanistan, we spent years and billions of pounds trying to…</p>
<p>Andy H - we didn't "bomb the #####" out of Iraq, Syria and Adghanistan. The UK is in no way responsible for the migrant crisis in the middle east.</p>
<p>We were at war with the former Iraqi regime about 10 years ago. The resulting internal power struggle did displace people but that wasn't due to the UK. We didn't bomb Syria either. The refugees fleeing Syria were escaping the civil war (Government, anti Government and Daesh). In Afghanistan, we spent years and billions of pounds trying to rehabilitate a failed state overtaken by the Taliban. </p>
<p>I'm sure your suggestion doesn't intend to but it does reenforce some of the propaganda used by extremists. More disappointing though is the failure to recognise the efforts of our armed forces in those conflicts particularly those who made the ultimate sacrifice to build a better world. </p> £12m in bonuses for bosses at…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-19:844301:Comment:14647842021-11-19T07:51:37.255ZBrianhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianB
<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><h1 class="sc-lepLyc iaUVCD">£12m in bonuses for bosses at crisis-hit TfL<a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/transport" rel="nofollow"><br></br> <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Transport</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> for London is offering senior <a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/executives" rel="nofollow">executives</a> more than £12 million a year in <a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/bonuses" rel="nofollow">bonuses</a> if they help it…</span></h1>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><h1 class="sc-lepLyc iaUVCD">£12m in bonuses for bosses at crisis-hit TfL<a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/transport"><br/> <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Transport</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> for London is offering senior <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/executives">executives</a> more than £12 million a year in <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/bonuses">bonuses</a> if they help it break even. Evening Standard 17 Nov. '21</span></h1>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>In a bid to stem staff departures,<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/bosses">bosses</a><span> </span>have ended a year-long freeze on bonus payments that was introduced soon after the start of the pandemic.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/topic/tfl">TfL</a><span> </span>is losing a “tsunami of diverse talent” due to the “double whammy” of uncertainty about the organisation’s future funding and the availability of better-paid jobs elsewhere.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>As a result, new bonuses will be offered for the current 2021/22 financial year, TfL’s remuneration committee agreed last week.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>However, they will only be paid if TfL achieves its overall savings target and each boss hits their own performance targets.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>TfL has received almost £5 billion in bail-out grants from the Government and is seeking a fourth deal from December 11.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>It has been told to break even by April 2023 — meaning it needs to plug a £2 billion gap in its finances over the next 18 months.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>Any bonuses will not be paid until TfL is no longer dependent on the Government to fund its day-to-day operations, a situation that is expected by summer 2023. Executives will also have to still be working for TfL to receive the bonus.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>A paper presented to the remuneration committee said the scheme would cost £9.3 million if staff hit 75 per cent of targets and £12.1 million if they achieved 100 per cent.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>No bonuses are being paid for 2020/21 and TfL has been told by the Government to freeze salaries while in receipt of the bailouts, which cannot be used to fund bonuses.</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>TfL commissioner Andy Byford, right, said there was an “indelible link” between pay and the ability to retain staff, adding: “There is a lot of competition for talent.”</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>A TfL spokesman said: “Any performance award earned would only be paid once TfL achieves financial sustainability and has been designed to ensure that it remains consistent with the terms of our funding agreement with Government.”</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>Susan Hall, leader of the GLA Conservatives, said: “It’s disgraceful that TfL is planning to splash £12 million on executive handouts while asking for another taxpayer bailout.”</p>
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<div class="sc-lcepkR htgpDr"><p>Caroline Pidgeon, a Lib-Dem London Assembly member, said: “Boris Johnson’s Government will now use the prospect of bonus payments as another stick with which to punish the organisation and the millions of people who rely on TfL’s services.”</p>
</div> And at least this is, I hope,…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-16:844301:Comment:14644522021-11-16T21:50:25.504ZGordon Thttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GordonT
<p>And at least this is, I hope, heading back to the original 'London's transport - where next' topic, rather than worthy but disconnected topics more usefully addressed in broader social media than HoL. </p>
<p>Yes I'm a localist and a literalist - but it needs to be said.</p>
<p>And at least this is, I hope, heading back to the original 'London's transport - where next' topic, rather than worthy but disconnected topics more usefully addressed in broader social media than HoL. </p>
<p>Yes I'm a localist and a literalist - but it needs to be said.</p> "TFL are offering £12mil bonu…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-16:844301:Comment:14644112021-11-16T21:43:35.983ZGordon Thttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GordonT
<p><em>"TFL are offering £12mil bonus to the management"...</em> (andy h)</p>
<p>Well - from the same source: <strong><a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tfl-london-transport-crisis-bonuses-b966459.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Evening Standard</a></strong> [link]</p>
<p>"However, they will only be paid if TfL achieves its overall savings target and each boss hits their own performance targets.</p>
<p>Any bonuses will not be paid until TfL is no longer dependent on the…</p>
<p><em>"TFL are offering £12mil bonus to the management"...</em> (andy h)</p>
<p>Well - from the same source: <strong><a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tfl-london-transport-crisis-bonuses-b966459.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Evening Standard</a></strong> [link]</p>
<p>"However, they will only be paid if TfL achieves its overall savings target and each boss hits their own performance targets.</p>
<p>Any bonuses will not be paid until TfL is no longer dependent on the Government to fund its day-to-day operations, a situation that is expected by summer 2023. Executives will also have to still be working for TfL to receive the bonus."</p>
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<p>No time soon, then; publicly audited too.</p>
<p>Not a North Shropshire situation.</p>
<p></p> Hi Micheal ,
Yes , I know, j…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-16:844301:Comment:14644102021-11-16T18:56:45.749Zandy hhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/andrewhunt
<p>Hi Micheal , </p>
<p>Yes , I know, just wanted to keep the thread on track.</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>Brian, it worries me too, but maybe we shouldn’t have bombed the arse out of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. That might have stopped families, with at least a life, crossing a continent. <br></br><br></br>So, back to TFL . Did you all see that TFL are offering £12mil bonus to the management to keep them on board if they’ll stay and get the accounts to break even. They are haemorrhaging office staff who’ve been…</p>
<p>Hi Micheal , </p>
<p>Yes , I know, just wanted to keep the thread on track.</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>Brian, it worries me too, but maybe we shouldn’t have bombed the arse out of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. That might have stopped families, with at least a life, crossing a continent. <br/><br/>So, back to TFL . Did you all see that TFL are offering £12mil bonus to the management to keep them on board if they’ll stay and get the accounts to break even. They are haemorrhaging office staff who’ve been given better remuneration and conditions elsewhere?</p>
<p>Market forces at work !</p> It was in response to “we are…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-16:844301:Comment:14644022021-11-16T07:29:01.766ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>It was in response to “we are already quite full”</p>
<p>It was in response to “we are already quite full”</p> Have we not all strayed off p…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-16:844301:Comment:14644012021-11-16T07:26:50.277Zandy hhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/andrewhunt
<p>Have we not all strayed off piste a bit ?</p>
<p>This thread is about the demise of transport in London.</p>
<p>What if we just didn't give that £40billiion a year to prop up the rest of the country?? Just imagine what we could do with the money !! TFL, NHS, and a social housing boom!! </p>
<p>Anyone up for that?? I'll work out some weekly figures post them later. </p>
<p>Have we not all strayed off piste a bit ?</p>
<p>This thread is about the demise of transport in London.</p>
<p>What if we just didn't give that £40billiion a year to prop up the rest of the country?? Just imagine what we could do with the money !! TFL, NHS, and a social housing boom!! </p>
<p>Anyone up for that?? I'll work out some weekly figures post them later. </p> This is a bit silly to post -…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-15:844301:Comment:14639652021-11-15T20:50:18.871ZClassical Contrarianhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ClassicalLiberal
<p>This is a bit silly to post - Lebanon is a completely failed state, Turkey is a quasi dictatorship, Jordan gives zero legal rights to Palestinian refugees Nauru takes Australian refugees for cash and Liberia/Uganda aren't that nice (principally to minorities like homosexuals).</p>
<p>If you want to play stats, 60% of Londoners are non white British or have an immigration background.</p>
<p> Bit disengenuos for anyone to say we're not tolerant or open.</p>
<p>This is a bit silly to post - Lebanon is a completely failed state, Turkey is a quasi dictatorship, Jordan gives zero legal rights to Palestinian refugees Nauru takes Australian refugees for cash and Liberia/Uganda aren't that nice (principally to minorities like homosexuals).</p>
<p>If you want to play stats, 60% of Londoners are non white British or have an immigration background.</p>
<p> Bit disengenuos for anyone to say we're not tolerant or open.</p> This is the proportion of the…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-15:844301:Comment:14639192021-11-15T18:44:16.734ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>This is the proportion of the total population who refugees in countries of the world. We need a sense of proportion about what is happening in the U.K.</p>
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<p>This is the proportion of the total population who refugees in countries of the world. We need a sense of proportion about what is happening in the U.K.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9810527074?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9810527074?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Thanks Will. You're right tha…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-11-15:844301:Comment:14638162021-11-15T17:56:08.676ZBrian Mahoneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianMahoney
<p>Thanks Will. You're right that there are scenarios where it's impractical for people to claim refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in but there are still a number of safe countries between say Greece and Turkey and here (eg. Albania, Bulgaria, Italy, Czechia, Slovenia, Germany, Belgium, France, Spain). The fact that the UK is more attractive does not mean we have to accept everyone who wants to come here. We're already quite full, our services are stretched and our precious…</p>
<p>Thanks Will. You're right that there are scenarios where it's impractical for people to claim refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in but there are still a number of safe countries between say Greece and Turkey and here (eg. Albania, Bulgaria, Italy, Czechia, Slovenia, Germany, Belgium, France, Spain). The fact that the UK is more attractive does not mean we have to accept everyone who wants to come here. We're already quite full, our services are stretched and our precious green space is at risk in order to house everyone. As mentioned, I'm happy to take our fair share but not those who arrive here illegally. </p>