No Right Turn - what if we all got one? - Harringay online2024-03-29T07:32:12Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/no-right-turn-what-if-we-all-got-one?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A522979&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLinking this discussion to th…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-10-21:844301:Comment:5443522013-10-21T10:23:40.295Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>Linking this discussion to the recent one about the <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/no-right-turn-on-hewit-rd" target="_blank">Hewit no right turn going ahead</a>.</p>
<p>Notice the contrasting proposals: have a no right turn for Falkland Rd and massively reduce traffic going by a primary school and and park, compared to a no right turn for Hewit to massively increase the traffic by two primary schools and a nursery.</p>
<p>Linking this discussion to the recent one about the <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/no-right-turn-on-hewit-rd" target="_blank">Hewit no right turn going ahead</a>.</p>
<p>Notice the contrasting proposals: have a no right turn for Falkland Rd and massively reduce traffic going by a primary school and and park, compared to a no right turn for Hewit to massively increase the traffic by two primary schools and a nursery.</p> I was one of the residents be…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-17:844301:Comment:5241812013-08-17T12:55:45.049Zcherylhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/cheryl
I was one of the residents behind the no right turn on Lothair Road South and although it has made our street much safer than it was previous to the restriction, I'm disappointed to report that it gets ignored a lot
I was one of the residents behind the no right turn on Lothair Road South and although it has made our street much safer than it was previous to the restriction, I'm disappointed to report that it gets ignored a lot Fascinating tale Claire, the…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5242502013-08-16T17:27:48.998Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>Fascinating tale Claire, the mind boggles not only at your 'Toreador Pants', 'Puce espadrilles' etc., but the taxi ride to John Lewis for sheets ........ Why? Was the laundry on strike, I worry if the NHS can't supply clean sheets .... At least you get clean sheets in the Whittington.</p>
<p>BUT there is a serious issue here. A very serious injury that needed either University College or the Royal London. Taken ill in Wood Green Mall, they insisted on taking me to the North Middx at…</p>
<p>Fascinating tale Claire, the mind boggles not only at your 'Toreador Pants', 'Puce espadrilles' etc., but the taxi ride to John Lewis for sheets ........ Why? Was the laundry on strike, I worry if the NHS can't supply clean sheets .... At least you get clean sheets in the Whittington.</p>
<p>BUT there is a serious issue here. A very serious injury that needed either University College or the Royal London. Taken ill in Wood Green Mall, they insisted on taking me to the North Middx at Sterling Way ENFIELD.</p>
<p>So called Traffic Planners just do not understand the vicissitudes of issues like access for emergency services, or smooth transits for buses. </p> The proposals for a raised pl…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5242462013-08-16T16:29:14.754Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>The proposals for a raised platform at the junction with St Annes Rd is illogical on such a busy road (and goes against what I was taught). This is a costly solution that will wreak havoc while it is being installed and it will do more to slow traffic than taking the lights back to Hewit Road.</p>
<p>Cllr John Bevan is picking up a whole can of worms with this scheme, one where there are many simpler solutions. The pavement widening proposals - only shown on the reduced scale diagram on pp…</p>
<p>The proposals for a raised platform at the junction with St Annes Rd is illogical on such a busy road (and goes against what I was taught). This is a costly solution that will wreak havoc while it is being installed and it will do more to slow traffic than taking the lights back to Hewit Road.</p>
<p>Cllr John Bevan is picking up a whole can of worms with this scheme, one where there are many simpler solutions. The pavement widening proposals - only shown on the reduced scale diagram on pp 2 - 3 - will cause many traffic problems, and the bus operators are not entirely happy even though the document has a TfL Target Roundel. </p>
<p>The diagram on pp 2 - 3 differs from the enlarged plans on pp 4 - 9. Only one bus stop is shown; what is planned for crossings and other bus stops to interchange with Harringay Green Lanes station. I could go on and on. The plans are badly flawed. Seriously.</p> If you are in a really bad wa…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5240012013-08-16T14:15:15.077ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>If you are in a really bad way you will not be taken to the Whittington A&E, it is just "A"... The Royal London at Whitechapel is where you will be taken if you're in a bad way... probably from a traffic accident.</p>
<p>If you are in a really bad way you will not be taken to the Whittington A&E, it is just "A"... The Royal London at Whitechapel is where you will be taken if you're in a bad way... probably from a traffic accident.</p> Continuing using that map to…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5238212013-08-16T12:17:04.025Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>Continuing using that map to try to see what the existing restrictions have done to the Ladder, here's the road closure and No Right Turns over in Stroud Green with the traffic heading north / north east. </p>
<p>Before traffic could cut through the east of Stroud Green (there were a bunch of routes, i've only shown the main ones):</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162805439?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162805439?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a></p>
<p>Then they closed Uplands Rd…</p>
<p>Continuing using that map to try to see what the existing restrictions have done to the Ladder, here's the road closure and No Right Turns over in Stroud Green with the traffic heading north / north east. </p>
<p>Before traffic could cut through the east of Stroud Green (there were a bunch of routes, i've only shown the main ones):</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162805439?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162805439?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a></p>
<p>Then they closed Uplands Rd and added a couple of No Right Turns on Tottenham Lane so the area shaded in yellow becomes through traffic free and instead most of that trafficit goes via the Ladder (and nearly all of it on Frobisher, Fairfax and Beresford):</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162807514?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2162807514?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a></p> The rest of the Ladder is dif…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5237012013-08-16T07:23:57.879Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>The rest of the Ladder is different, each road has its unique characteristics so we need changes tailored to each specific spot. A gate here, a No Right Turn there, a change of direction...doing a whole bunch of changes together would be one way to help make changes more palatable and avoid it looking like there are winners and losers.</p>
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<p>The rest of the Ladder is different, each road has its unique characteristics so we need changes tailored to each specific spot. A gate here, a No Right Turn there, a change of direction...doing a whole bunch of changes together would be one way to help make changes more palatable and avoid it looking like there are winners and losers.</p>
<p></p> Having Hewit Rd be part of th…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5234342013-08-16T07:10:04.668Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>Having Hewit Rd be part of the St Anns junction lights would make a nice orderly controlled traffic intersection, but it wouldn't it also:</p>
<p>-spoil the new Green Lanes pedestrian area and pocket park entrance by turning that bit into one really big traffic intersection</p>
<p>- slow down the overall traffic flow as the phasing's now have to accommodate an extra cycle</p>
<p>- make Hewit Rd much worse as traffic would constantly build up the street waiting for their, probably very…</p>
<p>Having Hewit Rd be part of the St Anns junction lights would make a nice orderly controlled traffic intersection, but it wouldn't it also:</p>
<p>-spoil the new Green Lanes pedestrian area and pocket park entrance by turning that bit into one really big traffic intersection</p>
<p>- slow down the overall traffic flow as the phasing's now have to accommodate an extra cycle</p>
<p>- make Hewit Rd much worse as traffic would constantly build up the street waiting for their, probably very short, green phase whereas today cars can get out in gaps in the Green Lanes flow</p>
<p></p> But No Right Turns do work. E…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5238662013-08-16T07:04:47.233Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>But No Right Turns do work. Eg you can go stand on Lothair Rd North or South to see how effective the No Right Turns are.</p>
<p>To be successful there does need to be a way of enforcing it and ideally thats some sort of physical barrier, so they're only most appropriate in some locations.</p>
<p>This is why the Falkland Rd one is a good idea. The new pedestrian crossing going in just at the north of the Falkland Rd entrance helps provide the physical barrier.</p>
<p>But No Right Turns do work. Eg you can go stand on Lothair Rd North or South to see how effective the No Right Turns are.</p>
<p>To be successful there does need to be a way of enforcing it and ideally thats some sort of physical barrier, so they're only most appropriate in some locations.</p>
<p>This is why the Falkland Rd one is a good idea. The new pedestrian crossing going in just at the north of the Falkland Rd entrance helps provide the physical barrier.</p> I was trained by a very good…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-16:844301:Comment:5238512013-08-16T03:55:51.029Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>I was trained by a very good planning lecturer back in 1979 on how to design a Traffic Environmental Management schemes. Few in Haringey get it anything like right. Road narrowing at junctions is not good practice, there are better solutions. </p>
<p>The Hewit Road junction issue would be best solved by redesigning the junction and traffic lights at Green Lanes - St Annes Rd, and move the southbound lights back 50m about 55 yds, and control the exit from Hewit Road with traffic lights.…</p>
<p>I was trained by a very good planning lecturer back in 1979 on how to design a Traffic Environmental Management schemes. Few in Haringey get it anything like right. Road narrowing at junctions is not good practice, there are better solutions. </p>
<p>The Hewit Road junction issue would be best solved by redesigning the junction and traffic lights at Green Lanes - St Annes Rd, and move the southbound lights back 50m about 55 yds, and control the exit from Hewit Road with traffic lights. Sadly you cannot stop traffic on these streets, in particular as ambulances need to move west; the nearest hospital for Harringay is the Whittington. Think about that if you need a 999 call to get you to A&E.</p>