House Cracks - Harringay online2024-03-29T05:27:03Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/house-cracks?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A177865&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJustin, in your position I'd…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1778652010-09-10T13:33:59.484ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
Justin, in your position I'd call in a surveyor. There are all kinds of reasons for cracks in plaster, window frames etc. Some indicate quite minor problems. But just in case . . .
Justin, in your position I'd call in a surveyor. There are all kinds of reasons for cracks in plaster, window frames etc. Some indicate quite minor problems. But just in case . . . Thank you, I'm pretty sure th…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1778372010-09-10T13:06:58.126ZYan Whitehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_2a063z18cv4yt
Thank you, I'm pretty sure they are the main culprit as well.
Thank you, I'm pretty sure they are the main culprit as well. If you think it's an Enterpri…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1778342010-09-10T13:02:13.418Zmatthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/mburge
If you think it's an Enterprise rubbish truck you can ring their boss Gary Tyler on mb. 07984 979309. Explain your problem and then ask for his email address.
If you think it's an Enterprise rubbish truck you can ring their boss Gary Tyler on mb. 07984 979309. Explain your problem and then ask for his email address. Thanks, those details would b…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1778262010-09-10T12:24:43.298ZJustin Guesthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JustinGuest
Thanks, those details would be useful. I think the issue is that large vehicles simply do not feel the bumps as they ride right over them without slowing down. There is one Haringey dustbin waggon in particular that is guilty, he comes to Yasha at the bottom of the road daily. I have to catch the guy and possibly film it before I can really do much about it. It does not help when dustbin wagons use the road as a cut through as one did the other day. I was not sharp enough to get his licence…
Thanks, those details would be useful. I think the issue is that large vehicles simply do not feel the bumps as they ride right over them without slowing down. There is one Haringey dustbin waggon in particular that is guilty, he comes to Yasha at the bottom of the road daily. I have to catch the guy and possibly film it before I can really do much about it. It does not help when dustbin wagons use the road as a cut through as one did the other day. I was not sharp enough to get his licence plate number.<br />
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I do not know why we don't have those huge metal bollards that you find from time to time to make drivers thinks about their paint work and panels. If they were set wide enough then cars would not have an issue, but it would slow the big boys down?! Jo
Thanks for putting this r…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1777452010-09-10T10:04:10.099Zmatthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/mburge
Jo<br />
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Thanks for putting this reply on HOL. Official type of answer expected of course but unfortunately the much quoted <i>Transport Research Laboratory</i> report is misleading because they have measured their own trial vehicles for vibration readings. What they aren't measuring is effect over time.<br />
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They need to sit in a few affected houses for a day to understand what's going on. As to the installation of these humps being carried out to specification, that's not true. We all know from…
Jo<br />
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Thanks for putting this reply on HOL. Official type of answer expected of course but unfortunately the much quoted <i>Transport Research Laboratory</i> report is misleading because they have measured their own trial vehicles for vibration readings. What they aren't measuring is effect over time.<br />
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They need to sit in a few affected houses for a day to understand what's going on. As to the installation of these humps being carried out to specification, that's not true. We all know from looking at different ladder roads that the humps are all shapes and sizes, with gradients and heights varying noticeably. I do know different contractors worked the different roads.<br />
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Question is, are they the humps the right design? For example are they less than 10cm high as they must be? Time to get out the measuring stick! Btw I live on Falkland Rd too so, if you want to discuss, PM me. Were you aware of the house t…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1777092010-09-10T09:26:22.022ZYan Whitehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_2a063z18cv4yt
Were you aware of the house that split entirely in two on Cavendish Road?<br />
It was completely demolished and rebuilt. This was on the Green Lanes side adjacent to the passage.<br />
The one on the other side of the passage had a big crack across its front, and ended up having its foundations rebuilt.<br />
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Scary stuff. This was apparently due to the hollow space underneath the passage and subsidence (probably not traffic as its an 'up' street)<br />
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The issue with several tonnes of rear axle repeatedly slamming…
Were you aware of the house that split entirely in two on Cavendish Road?<br />
It was completely demolished and rebuilt. This was on the Green Lanes side adjacent to the passage.<br />
The one on the other side of the passage had a big crack across its front, and ended up having its foundations rebuilt.<br />
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Scary stuff. This was apparently due to the hollow space underneath the passage and subsidence (probably not traffic as its an 'up' street)<br />
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The issue with several tonnes of rear axle repeatedly slamming the ground probably only really affects the streets with traffic going down the hill (some of the heavy lorries do literally speed over those bumps).<br />
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I've had books fly off the shelves in my top bedroom when this happens. The whole house literally shakes.<br />
So far only minor cracks though.<br />
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I contacted the council about the problem and they vaguely said someone would come and have a look.<br />
It does seem to have calmed down a bit since then for whatever reason. Hi Justin,
My next door neig…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1776872010-09-10T09:00:08.862ZBethany Burrow Athertonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BethanyBurrow
Hi Justin,<br />
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My next door neighbour (we're also on Pemberton) has a speed bump immediately outside his house and when we moved in, he told us that he had had to replace the ceilings in his upstairs and downstairs rooms as a result of the "turbulence" caused by vehicles going over the speedbump. I can feel our house shake quite a lot when a heavy (!) or fast (!) vehicle goes over the bump, but as yet there don't seem to be any cracks in our house other than the minor ones commensurate with a…
Hi Justin,<br />
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My next door neighbour (we're also on Pemberton) has a speed bump immediately outside his house and when we moved in, he told us that he had had to replace the ceilings in his upstairs and downstairs rooms as a result of the "turbulence" caused by vehicles going over the speedbump. I can feel our house shake quite a lot when a heavy (!) or fast (!) vehicle goes over the bump, but as yet there don't seem to be any cracks in our house other than the minor ones commensurate with a house of that age, given that a WWII HE bomb landed on our end of the road in the war.<br />
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If you like, I can ask him who he used to assess the issue in his house (and what he thought of them) and pass you their details.<br />
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Personally, I don't think there would be a problem if the speed and weight limits were enforced, but that's a slightly different discussion.<br />
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Bethany I also asked about Falkland R…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1776762010-09-10T08:45:47.696ZPinenuthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/pinenut
I also asked about Falkland Rd being resurfaced and it is not one of the 'chosen' roads. I wonder if that was decided before the great holes appeared?!?!?!?
I also asked about Falkland Rd being resurfaced and it is not one of the 'chosen' roads. I wonder if that was decided before the great holes appeared?!?!?!? Did they check a 12t skip tru…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1774302010-09-10T08:33:24.913ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
Did they check a 12t skip truck (with skip) at 30+ mph? Just curious.<br />
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To be honest the noise is worse than the vibrations.
Did they check a 12t skip truck (with skip) at 30+ mph? Just curious.<br />
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To be honest the noise is worse than the vibrations. I contacted the council about…tag:harringayonline.com,2010-09-10:844301:Comment:1773452010-09-10T07:42:14.911ZPinenuthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/pinenut
I contacted the council about this a while ago and got the below response:<br />
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<i>I do understand your concerns of structural damage caused to buildings in close proximity to road humps and your concerns are a common view expressed as a result of noise and vibration that can be experienced as some vehicles pass over these features.<br />
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The Department of Transport commissioned the Transport Research Laboratory to carry out track trails to assess the effects that road humps might have in generating…</i>
I contacted the council about this a while ago and got the below response:<br />
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<i>I do understand your concerns of structural damage caused to buildings in close proximity to road humps and your concerns are a common view expressed as a result of noise and vibration that can be experienced as some vehicles pass over these features.<br />
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The Department of Transport commissioned the Transport Research Laboratory to carry out track trails to assess the effects that road humps might have in generating ground-borne vibrations when vehicles are driven over them for a sustained period. The results were used to calculate minimum distances which would be desirable for road humps to be sited from dwellings, according to different soil types. Predications have also been made of minimum distance within which sustained vibration exposure may cause superficial hairline cracks and for minor structural damage as defined in BS7385. This study showed that even very minor hairline cracking should not occur unless the road humps are placed less that 2m from the dwelling (for London Clay soils type).<br />
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The report concluded that it is very unlikely that the introduction of road humps pose a significant risk of even minor damage to property. Other research carried out by several London Boroughs could find no conclusive evidence that ‘vibration’ from traffic calming measures has caused any structural damage to adjacent properties.<br />
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Road humps were introduced along Falkland Road to slow vehicle speeds as part of a 20mph scheme. The humps were designed in accordance with Traffic Calming and Regulations Act. Road humps are spaced no more than 80 metres apart as this keeps vehicles travelling at a consistent speed between the humps, which would reduce the noise and vibration effect residents may encounter. We are currently expanding the 20mph zone to incorporate Wightman Road and its 7.5T weight restriction signage; this should improve the area by reducing traffic speed and volume.</i><br />
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I then repleid saying I was not satisfied with the response and gotthe below reply:<br />
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<i>I sympathise with your concerns regarding the level of noise and vibration experienced as some motorists travel over the speed hump outside your property.<br />
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Transport research Laboratory (TRL) which is an internationally recognised centre of excellence for testing all aspects of transport, carried out these trials on behalf of the Department for Transport (DfT). Their trials included all different types of vehicles travelling at different speeds over humps. They concluded that vibration caused from vehicles travelling over traffic calming features will not damage a property as long as its more than 2m from it (for London Clay soils type). I acknowledge that there is increased vibration when heavy vehicles and speeding traffic pass over humps but these scenarios were included in the trials.<br />
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As you will appreciate we can not test every road hump that is installed in the borough, so as with many other London Boroughs we comply with the DfT recognised TRL trial results and national regulations and DfT traffic calming guidance to determine feature design, type, size and positioning before implementation.<br />
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There are acceptable vibration limits which are set out in the British Standard 7385 (1993) but you may find a traffic advisory leaflet 8/96 more reader friendly and this can found at <a href="http://www.dft.gov.uk" target="_blank">www.dft.gov.uk</a>. If you wish to carry out a ground-borne vibration test for your dwelling there are consultancies to undertake this which can be found online, also if cracking is occurring in your property you may need to contact a structural engineer to determine the cause.<br />
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If you need more advice the department for Transport have specialised department called Driver Information and Traffic Management Division which can be contacted by telephone on 0171 271 5185.</i>