Harringay Traffic Study - Harringay online2024-03-28T09:10:24Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/harringay-traffic-study?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A805045&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for posting. As its No…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-11-06:844301:Comment:8080702015-11-06T12:48:25.989ZIssyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Issy
<p>Thanks for posting. As its Nov 6th, I've emailed my view on Harringay's traffic to Razak.Mahama@haringey.gov.uk</p>
<p>Thanks for posting. As its Nov 6th, I've emailed my view on Harringay's traffic to Razak.Mahama@haringey.gov.uk</p> We have some traffic counters…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-31:844301:Comment:8061212015-10-31T15:03:52.396Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>We have some traffic counters and have done counts for a lot of the streets. From that:<br></br><br></br>There are about 27000 cars on the ladder rungs each week day. Almost evenly split between going east-west and west-east. The north of the Ladder is much busier getting 50% more traffic than the south. If that 27000 was shared evenly over the 19 Ladder rungs it would be about 1400 per road per day, so you can see which presently get more or less than that share - Xxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxx,…</p>
<p>We have some traffic counters and have done counts for a lot of the streets. From that:<br/><br/>There are about 27000 cars on the ladder rungs each week day. Almost evenly split between going east-west and west-east. The north of the Ladder is much busier getting 50% more traffic than the south. If that 27000 was shared evenly over the 19 Ladder rungs it would be about 1400 per road per day, so you can see which presently get more or less than that share - Xxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxx, Xxxxxxxxxx and Xxxxxx are busier ones, Seymour is quiet as are Xxxxxxx, Hewitt and Xxxxxxxxx. So for example, if there are micro level changes like the Hewitt No Right Turn change you can see the effect of that was to push a lot of traffic to the already busy roads, an alternative change to reduce the busyness of Hewitt that would have been fairer would have been to leave Hewitt alone and flip the direction of Seymour which would have avoided increasing traffic on already busy roads and would have moved both Seymour and Hewitt close to their 1400/day share. Unfair to Seymour? But Seymour was much busier before the Ladder one-way and closing the Gardens changes.<br/><br/>Wightman is really busy, maybe slightly busier than Green Lanes even. Closing it off all of a sudden would cause chaos, which is what happened when there was that fire at the MOT place a little while back. Wightman shares the north-south traffic with Green Lanes, and Wightman is only able to be so busy by having its parking go on the footpath. Thats a trade off - parking and loading on Green Lanes is possible because Wightman takes a lot of the traffic by having the parking on the footpath. Could this study result in changing that? Maybe make a representation? To who? See this RFQ Section 3.1 Stage 2 - to the stakeholder group. Do you think that Wightman / Green Lanes trade off will change if things are left to the usual ones that makeup stakeholder groups around here? I think yes OAE, now is the time to go dust of the WRRA and try to get it as an equal member of this new stakeholder group.</p> There has been a noticeable i…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8059622015-10-30T17:34:54.516ZAngelahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Angela
<p>There has been a noticeable increase in 'off-peak' traffic in the last 3 years or so. Some of it is due to the rise and rise of online shopping and therefore home deliveries.</p>
<p>Schools have deliveries, visitors, contractors, waste collections during this period (as well as parents & carers collecting children from various pre-school groups) but it's pretty minimal tbh.</p>
<p>Ant, where did you get that data from?</p>
<p>There has been a noticeable increase in 'off-peak' traffic in the last 3 years or so. Some of it is due to the rise and rise of online shopping and therefore home deliveries.</p>
<p>Schools have deliveries, visitors, contractors, waste collections during this period (as well as parents & carers collecting children from various pre-school groups) but it's pretty minimal tbh.</p>
<p>Ant, where did you get that data from?</p> Well it may cause problems fo…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8056312015-10-30T16:19:51.061ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Well it may cause problems for Endymion Rd at the bottom of Finsbury Park but if east/west traffic was not allowed to cut through the ladder to save on traffic lights then we would not have as much congestion on Green Lanes so north/south commuters, which make up a third of the ladder's through traffic by <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/profiles/blogs/traffic-survey-the-long" target="_blank">my estimates</a>, would prefer to use the A105 anyway. Phasing the lights at the bottom of…</p>
<p>Well it may cause problems for Endymion Rd at the bottom of Finsbury Park but if east/west traffic was not allowed to cut through the ladder to save on traffic lights then we would not have as much congestion on Green Lanes so north/south commuters, which make up a third of the ladder's through traffic by <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/profiles/blogs/traffic-survey-the-long" target="_blank">my estimates</a>, would prefer to use the A105 anyway. Phasing the lights at the bottom of the park to encourage Green Lanes flow might help with the Christmas Williamson Rd problems too. The solutions are all as possible as the Hewitt Rd no-right-turn, it's just whether or not there is political will.</p> Not just Harringay's traffic…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8056242015-10-30T15:58:42.898ZGranthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Grant806
<p>Not just Harringay's traffic problems. Parkside Malvern residents have a long running gripe about traffic on Hornsey Park Road, traffic which has just or is about to use Wightman. Sorting out Wightman would have benefits way beyond the immediate area.</p>
<p>Not just Harringay's traffic problems. Parkside Malvern residents have a long running gripe about traffic on Hornsey Park Road, traffic which has just or is about to use Wightman. Sorting out Wightman would have benefits way beyond the immediate area.</p> I know that they don't want t…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8058532015-10-30T15:50:39.069ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>I know that they don't want to do it because it's politically harmful to close off streets like this but it's the only thing that's fair to everyone in Harringay.</p>
<p>I know that they don't want to do it because it's politically harmful to close off streets like this but it's the only thing that's fair to everyone in Harringay.</p> Paul and John, I suspect we'l…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8058472015-10-30T15:01:53.085ZOld-Age-Emporium(OAE)https://harringayonline.com/profile/OldAgeEmporiumOAE
<p>Paul and John, I suspect we'll still be advancing this totally logical case for Wightman to the next Traffic Study in late 2065.</p>
<p>Paul and John, I suspect we'll still be advancing this totally logical case for Wightman to the next Traffic Study in late 2065.</p> Yes exactly! The key to all o…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8055322015-10-30T13:40:34.727ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Yes exactly! The key to all of Harringay's traffic problems is Wightman Rd. Close it off at either end.</p>
<p>Yes exactly! The key to all of Harringay's traffic problems is Wightman Rd. Close it off at either end.</p> Well so much for an objective…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8056852015-10-30T11:06:26.958ZWightmanPaulhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/WightmanPaul
<p>Well so much for an objective transport 'study'. Wightman residents don't live in a 'street', they live on a 'route'. I can hear the then Cabinet member for Environment telling us at Area Assembly in 2006 that Wightman is a 'trunk road'. I would suggest that as part of this work, the successful bidder calculate the average width of Wightman and the percentage of non-residential along its length, compare the results of the calculation with surrounding 'streets' then decide on whether it is…</p>
<p>Well so much for an objective transport 'study'. Wightman residents don't live in a 'street', they live on a 'route'. I can hear the then Cabinet member for Environment telling us at Area Assembly in 2006 that Wightman is a 'trunk road'. I would suggest that as part of this work, the successful bidder calculate the average width of Wightman and the percentage of non-residential along its length, compare the results of the calculation with surrounding 'streets' then decide on whether it is appropriate for it to be classified as a 'route' any more than say Burgoyne.</p>
<p>In my view it is the entrenched attitude that Wightman is a 'route', deriving from the fact that it runs north-south [roughly] that has led to many of the other issues in the area. Would streets east of Green Lanes be closed if Wightman did not exist?</p> Also worth pointing out that…tag:harringayonline.com,2015-10-30:844301:Comment:8056812015-10-30T10:43:43.521ZGranthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Grant806
<p>Also worth pointing out that traffic levels on Green Lanes (and in Haringey generally) is in decline. Since Hermitage Rd et al were closed in 2000-ish, traffic on Green Lanes has reduced by ~20%. Even more reason to keep the through traffic out of residential areas - the capacity is there on the main roads to accomodate that through traffic.</p>
<p>Also worth pointing out that traffic levels on Green Lanes (and in Haringey generally) is in decline. Since Hermitage Rd et al were closed in 2000-ish, traffic on Green Lanes has reduced by ~20%. Even more reason to keep the through traffic out of residential areas - the capacity is there on the main roads to accomodate that through traffic.</p>