Harringay Ladder Traffic and Transport Review Update - Harringay online2024-03-28T20:19:56Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/harringay-ladder-traffic-and-transport-review-update?feed=yes&xn_auth=noIsn't most of what you want t…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-09-23:844301:Comment:15087962022-09-23T11:37:15.132ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>Isn't most of what you want the next step, the traffic modelling. I would very much hope that there will be some data involved in that.</p>
<p>It strikes me as more of a tick box exercise to say there was a consultation, with the slim chance that something surprising may come up, rather than a large part of the process.</p>
<p>Isn't most of what you want the next step, the traffic modelling. I would very much hope that there will be some data involved in that.</p>
<p>It strikes me as more of a tick box exercise to say there was a consultation, with the slim chance that something surprising may come up, rather than a large part of the process.</p> I agree with @Chris.
The co…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-09-23:844301:Comment:15087282022-09-23T09:14:02.561ZRae Spungleshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RaeSpungles
<p>I agree with @Chris. </p>
<p>The council <strong>paid</strong> a consultancy (based in South London) to count comments from attendance at a 'webinar' attended by invite by mail drop. The 'webinar' was held in March so it seems to have taken ECF (the consultancy) six months to write an 'interim report'. In attendance at the 'webinar', 93 'community' and 14 'businesses'. To me a 'webinar' suggests a lecture rather than invitation to comment, also in the letter it was suggested that there…</p>
<p>I agree with @Chris. </p>
<p>The council <strong>paid</strong> a consultancy (based in South London) to count comments from attendance at a 'webinar' attended by invite by mail drop. The 'webinar' was held in March so it seems to have taken ECF (the consultancy) six months to write an 'interim report'. In attendance at the 'webinar', 93 'community' and 14 'businesses'. To me a 'webinar' suggests a lecture rather than invitation to comment, also in the letter it was suggested that there would be other opportunities to comment so there was from the get go a high barrier to entry, and a good deal of self selection required to participate.<span> As I understand it a separate 'webinar' was held for businesses which either accounts for or reflects the skewed importance business concerns have with the council over traffic matters. </span></p>
<p><span>The fact that this is a continuation of a consultancy started in 2015 is further indicative of the speed of progress on this matter. I wonder how much traffic and pollution has increased since then? Perhaps we'd be able to see if the qualitative work was backed up with quantitative data. Have the Wightman Road changes improved matters in the round? i.e. reduced pollution? Or caused more accidents? I wonder if less cyclists use Wightman Road than previously? If anyone has access to the answers to these questions I'd love to know.</span></p>
<p><span>I'd say the observations are pretty much self evident ('traffic and congestion are a cause of pollution' or one comment that "everyone has issues, residents and businesses") and probably didn't require a study but maybe that's just me. Also a study collating comments is pretty easy for the council to ignore isn't it?</span></p>
<p><span>No offence meant to EMC2 - whom I thank for sharing. I just wish something more concrete and substantiated could be done by Haringey council and faster. </span></p>
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<p></p> Wow. The Council paid for thi…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-09-22:844301:Comment:15086942022-09-22T19:08:24.930ZChrishttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Chris234
<p>Wow. The Council paid for this. 19 powerpoint slides summarising a poorly run online pub session. From memory, a third of the discourse was about changing the phasing of one intersection's lights. Another third was spent discussing turning circles. </p>
<p>The roads are dangerous. Things are worse. No data. Nothing objective. Just counting comments on a webinar. Pollution is bad...mkaay. The thousands of residents need to realise that several dozen businesses carry equal weight in the court…</p>
<p>Wow. The Council paid for this. 19 powerpoint slides summarising a poorly run online pub session. From memory, a third of the discourse was about changing the phasing of one intersection's lights. Another third was spent discussing turning circles. </p>
<p>The roads are dangerous. Things are worse. No data. Nothing objective. Just counting comments on a webinar. Pollution is bad...mkaay. The thousands of residents need to realise that several dozen businesses carry equal weight in the court of Haringey. What wonderful messaging.</p>
<p>I appreciate the update EMC2, but the content is sophomoric data babble. </p>