Harringay Green Lanes Statutory Notification Analysis is up - Harringay online2024-03-29T02:21:42Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/harringay-green-lanes-statutory-notification-analysis-is-up?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A521304&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTrying to use the closure of…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5220552013-08-09T20:59:50.909ZNickhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/NickNicholaou
<p>Trying to use the closure of the Gardens as justification to close Wightman Road is a little optimistic. Wightman road is <em>much</em> longer than the path through the Gardens, and it also contains a number of businesses which most likely benefit from the existence of through traffic.</p>
<p>Also, even if Wightman road were closed at both ends, what would stop someone from avoiding a large portion of Green Lanes by going up, say, Umfreville road, and exiting further down near the Turnpike…</p>
<p>Trying to use the closure of the Gardens as justification to close Wightman Road is a little optimistic. Wightman road is <em>much</em> longer than the path through the Gardens, and it also contains a number of businesses which most likely benefit from the existence of through traffic.</p>
<p>Also, even if Wightman road were closed at both ends, what would stop someone from avoiding a large portion of Green Lanes by going up, say, Umfreville road, and exiting further down near the Turnpike lane end?</p> If it were not Hewitt Road, i…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5219012013-08-09T14:40:18.634Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>If it were not Hewitt Road, it would then be Beresford Road that carried the traffic from Wightman to Green Lanes. Since my earlier post I've looked at the long discussion on Wightman Road. I come to Wightman Road to see my super hairdresser and the fact that I can drive and park my car opposite Sylvias is a boon. Those small traders do benefit from some passing trade and Moka is a lovely little independent coffee shop. Wightman Road is now a 20 zone, it needs completely resurfacing, and…</p>
<p>If it were not Hewitt Road, it would then be Beresford Road that carried the traffic from Wightman to Green Lanes. Since my earlier post I've looked at the long discussion on Wightman Road. I come to Wightman Road to see my super hairdresser and the fact that I can drive and park my car opposite Sylvias is a boon. Those small traders do benefit from some passing trade and Moka is a lovely little independent coffee shop. Wightman Road is now a 20 zone, it needs completely resurfacing, and the pedestrian crossing refuges and markings are needed more here than in Green Lanes. At least there are lights by Harringay (West) station entrance.</p>
<p>I could go on and on, but this is an area which professionally as a member of the Institute of Logistics and Transport, which just about defies everything I was ever taught about Traffic Environmental Management Schemes. But this is the department that gets officers who were not properly trained, whereas I attended my lectures! And sometimes the theory does work, but also common sense has a big part to play! Cheers!</p> Residents from Hewitt were in…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5218922013-08-09T14:06:15.699ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Residents from Hewitt were involved in the regeneration plan and charmed her into trying this on. It's just one of those things.</p>
<p>If you think a little more about it, the random alternating has meant that some traffic is shared unfairly because of the desire lines of motorists. In the case of Hewitt Rd it is people heading east after crossing the railway down at Finsbury Park or up at Turnpike Lane. They can't go through the gardens or Hermitage Rd, they have to use St Anns and…</p>
<p>Residents from Hewitt were involved in the regeneration plan and charmed her into trying this on. It's just one of those things.</p>
<p>If you think a little more about it, the random alternating has meant that some traffic is shared unfairly because of the desire lines of motorists. In the case of Hewitt Rd it is people heading east after crossing the railway down at Finsbury Park or up at Turnpike Lane. They can't go through the gardens or Hermitage Rd, they have to use St Anns and therefore Hewitt Rd is the best one to use.</p> I totally agree, the suggesti…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5219642013-08-09T13:57:04.738Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>I totally agree, the suggestion of reversing the flow along Hewitt Road is the typical nonsence that comes from an external consultant. The Ladder streets sensibly alternate and this is the way it should stay. I do use Hewitt Road about once a week as travelling from the other side of the railway, I avoid Green Lanes. However there is no traffic problem here. If there were a perceived problem here then the junction at the Salisbury needs a redesign so the lights control the exit from…</p>
<p>I totally agree, the suggestion of reversing the flow along Hewitt Road is the typical nonsence that comes from an external consultant. The Ladder streets sensibly alternate and this is the way it should stay. I do use Hewitt Road about once a week as travelling from the other side of the railway, I avoid Green Lanes. However there is no traffic problem here. If there were a perceived problem here then the junction at the Salisbury needs a redesign so the lights control the exit from Hewitt Road, and the southbound Green Lanes lights moved 50m.</p>
<p>As for the suggestion of closing off Wightman Road, this would cause utter chaos in the area where traffic management is frankly a total nightmare!</p>
<p>Isn't this another cock-up from Councillor Canver's portfolio?</p> Nothing in writing. Don't for…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5217642013-08-09T09:09:10.047ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Nothing in writing. Don't forget they regard it as a relief road for Green Lanes (which is an A road!). The reconfiguration of the Wightman/Turnpike/Hornsey Park junction was part of this.</p>
<p>Nothing in writing. Don't forget they regard it as a relief road for Green Lanes (which is an A road!). The reconfiguration of the Wightman/Turnpike/Hornsey Park junction was part of this.</p> Has the council ever made any…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-09:844301:Comment:5217552013-08-09T07:51:37.678Zanthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ant
<p>Has the council ever made any statements about the closing of Wightman Rd? Has anyone actually made a proper request to them to do it? Some comments on that proposal from Jono or something?</p>
<p>Has the council ever made any statements about the closing of Wightman Rd? Has anyone actually made a proper request to them to do it? Some comments on that proposal from Jono or something?</p> Nothing like that happened he…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-08:844301:Comment:5215032013-08-08T12:05:24.088ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Nothing like that happened here and frankly the council have made a very poor case for objecting to the closing of Wightman Rd to through traffic considering what is going on in the gardens. Don't you think?</p>
<p>Nothing like that happened here and frankly the council have made a very poor case for objecting to the closing of Wightman Rd to through traffic considering what is going on in the gardens. Don't you think?</p> "Sometimes the residents are…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-08:844301:Comment:5214952013-08-08T11:19:12.638ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p><em>"Sometimes the residents are wrong and the council is right."</em></p>
<p>Of course. Which is why, John, the aim should be healthy, open, ongoing dialogue between "lay" and professional people.</p>
<p><em>"Sometimes the residents are wrong and the council is right."</em></p>
<p>Of course. Which is why, John, the aim should be healthy, open, ongoing dialogue between "lay" and professional people.</p> Imagine if the council had "l…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-08:844301:Comment:5216072013-08-08T10:40:29.366ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>Imagine if the council had "listened to residents" over CPZs? Sometimes the residents are wrong and the council is right.</p>
<p>Personally I think we should have some independent residents who volunteer to scrutinise the council's workings. We could even hold elections for them if more than one person wants to do it for each area, maybe every four years? Oh wait...</p>
<p>Imagine if the council had "listened to residents" over CPZs? Sometimes the residents are wrong and the council is right.</p>
<p>Personally I think we should have some independent residents who volunteer to scrutinise the council's workings. We could even hold elections for them if more than one person wants to do it for each area, maybe every four years? Oh wait...</p> Fair points, Ant.
But any ag…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-08-08:844301:Comment:5213212013-08-08T09:02:27.622ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>Fair points, Ant. </p>
<p>But any agency which has the slightest ambition to be a <em>learning</em> organisation needs to treat each engagement with the public as another opportunity to listen, learn, and modify plans. Otherwise it's simply going through the motions mechanically and in bad faith.</p>
<p>Imputing a single view to all non-responders - that they generally agree - may be accurate. Or it may be wildly inaccurate. In my observation of say, parking proposals, people often don't…</p>
<p>Fair points, Ant. </p>
<p>But any agency which has the slightest ambition to be a <em>learning</em> organisation needs to treat each engagement with the public as another opportunity to listen, learn, and modify plans. Otherwise it's simply going through the motions mechanically and in bad faith.</p>
<p>Imputing a single view to all non-responders - that they generally agree - may be accurate. Or it may be wildly inaccurate. In my observation of say, parking proposals, people often don't 'get' the implications until something actually happens. It's the Vogon Constructor fleet. </p>