Haringey Council to Rebrand Haringey Shopping Districts - Harringay online2024-03-29T09:31:16Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/haringey-council-to-rebrand-haringey-shopping-districts?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI have just noticed your map…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-01-04:844301:Comment:4453612013-01-04T02:01:19.361ZRenato Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RenatoBernardin
<p>I have just noticed your map showing the boundaries of the Harringay neighbourhood. When I was a kid and lived in Wood Green in the 50's and 60's the area you show is exactly as I recall it except fot the southern section of the Finsbury Park. But I suppose the southern bit has to belong to a neighbourhood. It definitely doesn't belong to the boroughs of Hackney or Islington.</p>
<p>I have just noticed your map showing the boundaries of the Harringay neighbourhood. When I was a kid and lived in Wood Green in the 50's and 60's the area you show is exactly as I recall it except fot the southern section of the Finsbury Park. But I suppose the southern bit has to belong to a neighbourhood. It definitely doesn't belong to the boroughs of Hackney or Islington.</p> I have mispelt "Pronunciation…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-01-04:844301:Comment:4451112013-01-04T01:20:26.862ZRenato Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RenatoBernardin
<p>I have mispelt "Pronunciation". The editing tool of this reply did not work. So for every "pronounciation" please read "PRONUNCIATION". Sorry</p>
<p>I have mispelt "Pronunciation". The editing tool of this reply did not work. So for every "pronounciation" please read "PRONUNCIATION". Sorry</p> Thanks for the really useful…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-01-04:844301:Comment:4453592013-01-04T01:06:01.488ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Thanks for the really useful first hand historical perspective. </p>
<p>Interesting that you remember being taught the 'ay' pronunciation rather then the 'eee' version. Val Crosby, archivist at Bruce Castle Museum who was schooled in the borough in the Sixties remembers it the other way round. Time for a poll!</p>
<p>Thanks for the really useful first hand historical perspective. </p>
<p>Interesting that you remember being taught the 'ay' pronunciation rather then the 'eee' version. Val Crosby, archivist at Bruce Castle Museum who was schooled in the borough in the Sixties remembers it the other way round. Time for a poll!</p> There is the Wood Green Broad…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-01-04:844301:Comment:4453462013-01-04T00:34:38.504ZRenato Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RenatoBernardin
<p>There is the Wood Green Broadway too!</p>
<p>There is the Wood Green Broadway too!</p> I grew up in Wood Green befor…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-01-04:844301:Comment:4452652013-01-04T00:24:15.731ZRenato Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RenatoBernardin
<p>I grew up in Wood Green before moving away to Norwich so | know a bit about the London Borough of Haringey and East Anglia. The debate you are having about Haringey, Harringay, Green Lanes is fascinating me so much so I thought I would say a few words since I lived in the area between 1952 and 1975 and regularly visit the area, to this day, to visit my family. So I still think of myself as a local boy/man. First of all the "gay" in the Suffolk town of Bungay is pronouced "Bun-ghee" - a hard…</p>
<p>I grew up in Wood Green before moving away to Norwich so | know a bit about the London Borough of Haringey and East Anglia. The debate you are having about Haringey, Harringay, Green Lanes is fascinating me so much so I thought I would say a few words since I lived in the area between 1952 and 1975 and regularly visit the area, to this day, to visit my family. So I still think of myself as a local boy/man. First of all the "gay" in the Suffolk town of Bungay is pronouced "Bun-ghee" - a hard "g" (correct pronunciation can be found at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.forvo.com/word/bungay" target="_blank">http://www.forvo.com/word/bungay</a>) and please don't get me started on the correct prononciations of the Norfolk city of Norwich, the town of Wymondham and the villages of Happisburgh and Costessey. The Americans would get nought out of four. Anyway.....</p>
<p>After the reorganisation of the London Boroughs I was taught at school to pronounce "Haringey" the same way as that of the district of "Harringay". Everyone who lived at the time (in the 60's) in the old district boroughs of Wood Green, Tottenham and Hornsey would have been taught or had learnt to pronounce it that way too. The BBC prounounces it that way as well.</p>
<p>Also most of the people in the newly created borough, at the time, would have known there was a distinct district in the middle of the borough called Harringay which straddled Green Lanes which had post codes of N4, N8 and N15. There was no confusion and no misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Most people also knew at the time that Green Lanes was a very long road which stretched from Newington Green up to as far as Winchmore Hill, and the Harringay district only occupied less than a mile of it. Residents of Hornsey, Wood Green and Tottenham at the time would have made sure that they were not misunderstood when referring to the road of Green Lanes by qualifying it. For instance - me, as someone from Wood Green, I would say .. "I am visiting the Tax Office in Green Lanes in Winchmore Hill" ... "I am visiting my Aunt in Green Lanes in Newington Green" ... " I am off to the shops in Green Lanes in Harringay".</p>
<p>I am sure the local residents in Harringay would have called their local shopping district " Green Lanes" that is because they lived in Harringay, like I would have called my local shopping district " the High Road" because I lived in Wood Green. I went to school in Tottenham. It was a nice shopping centre then, it had a Department Store, a Marks and Spencer and a Woolworths and when I told my mum why I was late home from school I gave her the reason that I went to the shops in the "Tottenham High Road" not the "High Road".</p>
<p>I think the confusion of pronounciation and the identity of Haringey, Harringay and Green Lanes lies in one factor alone and that is the rapid mass migration of people into and out of the area. Many newcomers have not a clue and have had to find out the hard way about the differences. It is always the newcomers who are confused and sadly those newcomers have misinformed other newcomers. The present problems of correct pronounciation, spelling and the identity is the result of a lack of education on the subject. That is why sometimes you see the words "Haringay" and "Harringey" when in Harringay.... it makes my blood boil.</p>
<p>What I like to see is new borough signage and only in ENGLISH. For Instance "London Borough of Haringey. Welcome to the Wood Green Shopping Centre", "London Borough of Haringey. Welcome to the Muswell Hill Shopping Centre" and "London Borough of Haringey. Welcome to the Harringay Shopping Centre". My parents came from Italy and I only want to see English on official literature, notices, signs etc..</p> Yes, it's satirical Neil, but…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-12-24:844301:Comment:4432522012-12-24T10:46:12.034ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Yes, it's satirical Neil, but the issue with what the Council has been doing and continues to do with Harringay and our name is very real.</p>
<p>Yes, it's satirical Neil, but the issue with what the Council has been doing and continues to do with Harringay and our name is very real.</p> The confusion here seems to s…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-12-23:844301:Comment:4430382012-12-23T14:07:45.023ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>The confusion here seems to stem from some very rarely seen episodes of Star Trek.</p>
<p>The Harr<span class="nowrap"><span class="IPA"><a href="/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key" rel="nofollow" title="Help:IPA for English"><span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;" title="/ˈ/ primary stress follows">ˈa</span></a></span></span>ngi (accent on the second syllable) are a fictional and highly disputatious people from the planet Harrangue who engage in endless wrangles about the spelling of…</p>
<p>The confusion here seems to stem from some very rarely seen episodes of Star Trek.</p>
<p>The Harr<span class="nowrap"><span class="IPA"><a rel="nofollow" title="Help:IPA for English" href="/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key"><span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;" title="/ˈ/ primary stress follows">ˈa</span></a></span></span>ngi (accent on the second syllable) are a fictional and highly disputatious people from the planet Harrangue who engage in endless wrangles about the spelling of names, the precise definition of boundary lines, and from which end boiled eggs should be eaten.</p>
<p>These episodes were dropped from UK screenings of the series after invited test audiences in the Norfolk Hills began fighting amongst themselves.</p> Harringay, I assume you mean?tag:harringayonline.com,2012-12-22:844301:Comment:4429862012-12-22T02:36:43.967Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>Harringay, I assume you mean?</p>
<p>Harringay, I assume you mean?</p> I'm pretty sure you're right…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-12-22:844301:Comment:4428072012-12-22T02:32:38.554ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I'm pretty sure you're right about the diktat that went out in 1965. If you look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harringay" target="_blank">one of my Wikipedia articles on Harringay</a>, you'll see that Val Crosby corroborates that from her school memories. Haringey Council certainly seem to have decided that the eee ending was correct.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if you had cause to ring Veolia during the first year of their contract. Until recently their call centre greeting…</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you're right about the diktat that went out in 1965. If you look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harringay" target="_blank">one of my Wikipedia articles on Harringay</a>, you'll see that Val Crosby corroborates that from her school memories. Haringey Council certainly seem to have decided that the eee ending was correct.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if you had cause to ring Veolia during the first year of their contract. Until recently their call centre greeting message used the eee form. Recently it was changed.</p> Spot on Hugh. I spent a lot…tag:harringayonline.com,2012-12-22:844301:Comment:4428062012-12-22T02:18:18.307Z0au62mcjc4khehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0au62mcjc4khe
<p>Spot on Hugh. I spent a lot of time reading Madge's book in Bruce Castle. As I remember my two Aunts, one here in Crouch End, the other in Fortis Green, explaining to me as a kid that they 'the powers that be' had reorganised and the new combined borough was called Ha-rin-ghee. My Crouch End Aunt always pronounced the street name where the Library is as Ha-rin-ghee Park, never Haringay.</p>
<p>I can only be guided by my two elderly relatives, both of whom had lived here since the 20s, one…</p>
<p>Spot on Hugh. I spent a lot of time reading Madge's book in Bruce Castle. As I remember my two Aunts, one here in Crouch End, the other in Fortis Green, explaining to me as a kid that they 'the powers that be' had reorganised and the new combined borough was called Ha-rin-ghee. My Crouch End Aunt always pronounced the street name where the Library is as Ha-rin-ghee Park, never Haringay.</p>
<p>I can only be guided by my two elderly relatives, both of whom had lived here since the 20s, one in Crouch Hill, or my other aunt was in Mount View Road, before she downsized to Lauradale Road in Fortis Green.</p>
<p>I carefully read, as Hugh has, Madge's book and concluded my two aunts were right. In these parts only Leyton defies the rule, but a friend in Walthamstow, who is vey much into her local history alludes to an earlier spelling being LAyton, hence the corruption in pronunciation. I was bought up in Birmingham, where Hockley and Shirley, the latter name also crops up near Croydon, end in 'lee' pronunciations. On a clear day you can see Ally Pally from the Shirley Hills, and of course vice-versa, but there isn't such a significant landmark, look just east of Chrystal Palace TV mast, but I digress .....</p>
<p>By the way, Bungay is spelt '..ay', hence it does not follow Ha-rin-gey. The double '..rr..' in Harringay does slightly alter the articulation and pronunciation. By the way, the BEEB can't get it right either. 'Nuff said! Nighty-night and a Happy Xmas to all!</p>