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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

As promised, here you go.  This draft was agreed at the GLSG meeting last Tuesday 8 April.  Sorry about some of the formatting!:

DRAFT

Terms of Reference for the Green Lanes Strategy Group

 

Aim:

The Association’s aim is to work to make the Green Lanes area thrive economically, flourish socially, and be regenerated for current and future residents and businesses.  The Association aims to foster an area where people are proud to live and work without fear of crime. In this it will be guided by principles of the Green Lanes Charter or superseding local plan.

Defined Area:

 

The Green Lanes Area shall be defined as that area bounded to the south by Endymion Road and Arena Trading Estate, to the west by Wightman Road, to the north by Turnpike Lane and West Green Road, and to the east by Black Boy Lane and Warwick Gardens.

 

Membership:

 

Members:

 

The key constituted umbrella organisations within the above defined area, (ie. Woodlands Park Resident Association (WPRA), Ladder Community Safety Partnership (LCSP), Gardens Residents Association (GRA) and Harringay Green Lanes Traders Association (HGLTA) as at April 2014) each with up to 2 representatives plus 1 deputy appointed by meetings of those organisations; and the elected ward Councillors of Harringay and St. Ann’s.

 

In addition:

 

  • One representative appointed by meetings of established/constituted local groups as agreed by the members. Groups may be invited to join or may apply to join the GLSG. 
  • Key local individuals co-opted or invited by the GLSG to contribute in their areas of interest or expertise.

Metropolitan Police and Council officers will also attend as appropriate.

 

Officers:

 

1.   Chair, Vice Chair/Treasurer, Secretary and such other officers as the GLSG shall decide, elected from and by the members. Officers will be appointed for no longer than two years.

 

  1. The Chair and Vice Chair will:

 

  1. Ensure the efficient conduct of meetings;
  2. Ensure all members are treated equitably and have a proper opportunity to express their views when debating decisions of the Group;
  3. Ensure the GLSG receives appropriate professional advice from LBH officers or external advisers or others when necessary;
  4. Represent the GLSG where necessary.

 

 

Chair’s Action:

 

  1. The Chair may be approached to take decisions on urgent matters that require advancement before the next scheduled meeting. In such circumstances, the Chair is delegated to take such decisions, after involving as many other Members as possible. The Chair shall report any Chair’s Actions to the next meeting.
  2. It is intended that Chair’s Actions will be kept to the absolute minimum possible.
  3. In the absence or unavailability of the Chair, a Vice-Chair will act for him or her.

 

Sub-Groups

 

  1. The GLSG may establish such working groups, panels, forums or advisory groups as it considers necessary. All bodies established shall have clear terms of reference.
  2. The GLSG may terminate any Sub-Group at any time.
  3. Sub-Groups may co-opt individuals who have particular expertise or experience to contribute.

 

 

Remit of Green Lanes Strategy Group:

 

The following list is to act as a guide to the remit of the GLSG.  It is not intended to be exhaustive.

  1. Terms of Reference, Constitution and Membership.
  2. Initiatives and Funding bids.
  3. Income and Budget.
  4. Bridge and Gateways.
  5. Street Scene and Enforcement.
  6. HMOs.
  7. Crime and Policing (including Safer Neighbourhoods Teams).
  8. Parking and Highways.
  9. Planning and Licencing.
  10. Green Spaces.
  11. Green Lanes Festival.
  12. Christmas Events.
  13. Bug Hotel.
  14. Other projects as agreed by members.

 

 

Meetings:

 

  1. The GLSG shall meet on a regular cycle, with a minimum of 4 meetings per year.
  2. Meetings will normally last no longer than two hours.
  3. Notices of meetings will be circulated to members at least 7 days in advance of the meeting.
  4. Special meetings may be called for urgent business by the Chair or Vice Chair, provided at least three clear days notice is given to members.
  5. Items for inclusion on the agenda shall be submitted to the Secretary at least seven days prior to the meeting. Inclusion of any item shall be at the discretion of the Chair.
  6. All meetings of the GLSG shall be minuted.  Minutes will be made publicly available following approval by the Chair.
  7. Minutes of meetings shall be circulated with the agenda for the next meeting.
  8. Meetings shall be chaired by the Chair or in his/her absence the Vice Chair.
  9. The Chair will move that the minutes of the previous meeting be agreed as a correct record.
  10. The GLSG may accept deputations of people with a local connection who wish to raise an issue in person with the GLSG. Those wishing to form a deputation shall contact the Chair to seek agreement. Deputations shall only be allowed at the discretion of the Chair.

 

Decisions:

 

  1. Consensus

Unless these Terms of Reference provide otherwise, any matter will be decided by consensus between the members.

  1. Chair's decision

If no consensus can be reached, the Chair may request a vote on the matter under consideration.  Unless otherwise provided for in these Terms of Reference, the matter shall then be decided by a simple majority of the members present and voting by show of hands.  The Chair shall have a casting vote.

I have attached a copy of the Neighbourhood Vision/Green Lanes Charter referred to above.

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These Terms of Reference are open for comment until 15 June 2014.

They have been discussed at the LCSP meeting tonight, and will be on the agenda for the next GRA (June, not the AGM) and WPRA (14 May) meetings.

Feedback please to whichever you choose below if you can't make a meeting:

WPRA: woodlandsparkra@gmail.com

LCSP: lcsp@blueyonder.co.uk

GRA: gardensresidents@yahoogroups.co.uk

HGLTA: rob@harringay4shops.com

Adam Coffman for Friends of Harringay Passage, Friends of Fairland Park and Friends of Ducketts Common.

Thanks.

Geoff

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Of course Robert Noonan / Tressell's original title was "The Ragged-Arsed Philanthropists."  Not only did his eventual publisher bowdlerise that but they emasculated most of his socialist medium/message.

Indeed, God save us from honest, well-meaning men!

Phil, you are exhibiting your ignorance. I have no powers on planning or licensing. Those decisions are taken by the relevant committees. It would be helpful if you could argue your point without attacking the individual. Happy to discuss over coffee.

" As the local Cllr./Cabinet Member I chaired the Meetings and I hope you'll agree that this hugely benefitted the area. I could get things done much faster than a backbench Cllr or a local resident."

Nilgun, even if you were not on the Planning or Licensing Committes, are you saying that there is no such thing as a quiet word in the ear of someone who is ?

yes, really Phil. If you had blamed me of influencing and supporting the initiatives like 'no right turn on Hewitt Road' trial or introduction of a 'play street' on Pemberton or Clarendon Roads or Community street project in the Gardens yes, I would say that I was the guilty party. However, planning and licensing are semi independent operational committees. Their work is determined by a legislative guidance. there are several Lib Dem and Labour Cllrs who sit on them. they would be absolutely insulted with the suggestion of decisions being influenced by a Cabinet Member. Rules are very clear on Licensing. I have no problem for a resident who lives in the immediate vicinity or anyone for that matter to make an 'in principal' objection. However, I believe it's important for a local group to have all the facts before deciding whether they should object or what angle to hold. for me it's called empowering the residents. For your info the trader in question is not the only one. I have many friends on Green Lanes, in the Gardens and the Ladder as well. I am grateful for them. I cherish them. I trust You are grateful for the hard work of Andy, Geoff, Ian, Sue, Adam, Eileen, Hugh, Liz, Ant and others. I certainly am. Their work created a community spirit, the area became much pleasant and safer.

when it comes to having a coffee in public yes, I think we've already had that. Zena kindly put the item on the agenda for the Area Forum. very few people were interested and almost all who attended were very supportive of the work of the GLSG.

I still offer a discussion over coffee. let me know if you are interested.

Why does the GLSG exist anymore? What does it do that needs secrecy and can't be accomplished in an area forum (there's a reason they're irrelevant)? I mean, why an organisation with a "closed to the public" section in its meetings?

The guys in Blend spent at least a year looking for a shop in Harringay.

Hugh repeatedly asked the GLSG for assurances that they did not discuss the renaming of Harringay at their meetings. When Ant finally got the minutes from an FOI (not from asking one of OUR representatives that WE elect) Hugh saw that you absolutely did.

Disband the GLSG, now. There is nothing else like it in Haringey, in fact I can't find anything else like it in London.

A question: 

I remember the renaming of Harringay coming up on several occasions like a grumbling appendix over the past several years.  Green Lanes is a very long road.  It starts in Enfield and goes through Southgate, then wanders through Hackney and I think, Islington too.  A specific area called 'Green Lanes' makes little sense (to me--but then perhaps I am being impossibly dense). 

Can anyone tell me why this Council seems so dead set on removing the entity "Harringay" from the map?

Lydia Rivlin — so nauseated by vote rigging in the wards, venality in the Council, shenanigans in the Planning Department and disorganisation in the Social Services, that I signed up to fight it all by becoming a Conservative candidate in the May elections.  One thing about the Tories—they haven’t been corrupted by power round here.

Because people didn't pronounce Haringey as they were instructed (Finchley, Hackney, Stepney... you get the picture?) and they think it's confusing to people.

"they think (the name "Harringay" is) confusing to people"

I have another theory, John.

What if the whole operation is an attempt to draw St Anns and Harringay into one unit?  There has been a concerted attempt to call Harringay "The Ladders", for example, which is a complete nonsense as it stands, but not if the ladder-shaped Gardens are included.

All speculation, I know, but I have certainly heard talk of Harringay being re-assigned from Tottenham into the Hornsey and Wood Green constituency.  Is it possible, do you think, that by moving the central focus of Harringay from "The Ladder" to "Green Lanes", the Council are pursuing a long-term strategy of extending the ward into St. Anns, making it too spread out to be moved into H&WG?

 

Lydia Rivlin — so nauseated by vote rigging in the wards, venality in the Council, shenanigans in the Planning Department and disorganisation in the Social Services, that I signed up to fight it all by becoming a Conservative candidate in the May elections.  One thing about the Tories—they haven’t been corrupted by power round here.

Generally, with things like this, I look for common-or-garden explanations that aren't grand conspiracy theories. I think the attempt to change Harringay's name is probably something that was stumbled into. Years back there were three wards called Harringay - split between the old Tottenham and Hornsey boroughs. In Edwardian times, the Harringay Ratepayers' Association was based in what is now St Ann's Ward.

Then, what with the start of the new borough in 1965 and the fading of Harringay's glory as the Arena and Stadium closed, its identity faded.

The renaming of the station on Green Lanes added further confusion and offered Harringay Green Lanes as another alternative.

Next the wards were renamed and, I'm given to understand, certain people got tribal and, flying in the face of history, took up a position as "We of St Ann's". I think the path of least resistance then became to fudge the name issue and invent a new one - hence Green Lanes. As I understand it this, whilst this wasn't a change that was sought after by the Council, it did sort of fit with some sort of unspoken desire to claim Haringey for the borough (but that may be balderdash).

What I don't understand is how entrenched the GLSG is as a group in clinging to Green Lanes or Harringay Green Lanes. Most bizarre.

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