First glancing blow from an e-scooter - Harringay online2024-03-28T13:41:18Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/first-glancing-blow-from-an-e-scooter?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI've had a number of escooter…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-11:844301:Comment:14431742021-08-11T05:07:32.464ZSapphirebluehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Sapphireblue
<p>I've had a number of escooter near misses on busy pavements in Crouch End and Harringay...young males driving up fast and silently behind me and whizzing past just as I'm turning..skimming me. I hate them.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Electric scooters will be involved in <b>up to 200,000 accidents this year</b> as ownership soars across the UK, say researchers. More than a million people across the country are expected to own one of the powered two-wheeled transporters by…</p>
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<p>I've had a number of escooter near misses on busy pavements in Crouch End and Harringay...young males driving up fast and silently behind me and whizzing past just as I'm turning..skimming me. I hate them.</p>
<p>Here's some stats:</p>
<blockquote><p>Electric scooters will be involved in <b>up to 200,000 accidents this year</b> as ownership soars across the UK, say researchers. More than a million people across the country are expected to own one of the powered two-wheeled transporters by the end of the year.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/e-scooters-accidents-researchers-uk-ownership-1115380" target="_blank">INews, 22 Jul 2021</a></p>
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<p>Some newspaper articles.</p>
<p><span>Guardian article, 2nd May 2020:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span>Arnaud Kielbasa, a co-founder of French campaign group Apacauvi, which has been campaigning for tighter restrictions in Paris, believes Britain should learn from mistakes made across the Channel. He said that “in Paris, dockless e-scooters are really a cancer” because of the problems they cause on the pavement – “elderly people who are knocked over, women with pushchairs who can’t [get] through. It is really a big, big problem. Since they arrived in France, more than 15 people have died in the streets, victims of e-scooters.”</span></p>
<a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/02/e-scooters-fears-pubic-safety-crisis-road-approval-uk" target="_blank">Pedestrians ‘will face danger if e‑scooters get road approval’</a></blockquote>
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<p>iNews article, 25th May 2021:</p>
<blockquote><p>Transport bosses have suggested that e-scooters could be 100 times more dangerous than bicycles, while campaigners insist they are terrorising people on pavements</p>
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<p>The Government is being called upon to take urgent action over the “menace” of<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/police-crack-down-on-16-instances-of-illegal-e-scooter-use-in-bristol-in-one-week-993915" target="_top">e-scooters</a><span> </span>as they are due to be rolled out across UK towns and cities.</p>
<p>The scooters – some of which can reach speeds of almost 30mph – have seen a spike in sales and there are currently about 50 Government-backed trials running in towns and cities across the UK, where rented e-scooters can be driven on roads and cycle lanes.</p>
<p>Outside of these areas, it is legal to buy and sell an e-scooter but riding them on public roads, pavements or cycle lanes is against the law and can carry a £300 fine and six penalty points.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://inews.co.uk/news/government-action-e-scooters-halt-uk-roll-out-injuries-1018368" target="_blank">Government urged to take action over the ‘menace’ of e-scooters and...</a></p>
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<p>Nuff said.</p> Are the police doing anything…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-07:844301:Comment:14427162021-08-07T08:11:26.269ZHarringay Birderhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Paulie282
<p>Are the police doing anything about this?</p>
<p>No, but they could do something very, very easy to help which would be to <em>patrol Green Lanes just occasionally.</em></p>
<p>Literally the only time I see police on Green Lanes is when they stop to fill up at Gokyuzu. I’m being serious by the way.</p>
<p>Are the police doing anything about this?</p>
<p>No, but they could do something very, very easy to help which would be to <em>patrol Green Lanes just occasionally.</em></p>
<p>Literally the only time I see police on Green Lanes is when they stop to fill up at Gokyuzu. I’m being serious by the way.</p> If we had some arrests of peo…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14425072021-08-06T15:50:45.611ZGlenyshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Glenys
<p>If we had some arrests of people riding these things the message would probably be clearer.</p>
<p>If we had some arrests of people riding these things the message would probably be clearer.</p> Thanks for clarifying it does…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14425592021-08-06T12:16:28.843ZRoslyn Byfieldhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RoslynByfield
<p>Thanks for clarifying it doesn't include Haringey - you wouldn't have thought so given the number of these things around. Surely there needs to be much more information disseminated about these scooters and the retailers/renters regulated more as they're clearly not checking if the buyer is in one of the areas allowed. I see TfL is having to put up large notices instructing people not to take them onto the Underground.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying it doesn't include Haringey - you wouldn't have thought so given the number of these things around. Surely there needs to be much more information disseminated about these scooters and the retailers/renters regulated more as they're clearly not checking if the buyer is in one of the areas allowed. I see TfL is having to put up large notices instructing people not to take them onto the Underground.</p> Allowed on roads if hired fro…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14423772021-08-06T11:11:47.380ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Allowed on roads if hired from a company in the trials being held in five London boroughs (not Haringey). See link in my previous comment or links via tag in original post above. </p>
<p>Allowed on roads if hired from a company in the trials being held in five London boroughs (not Haringey). See link in my previous comment or links via tag in original post above. </p> Cycle lanes are great when yo…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14424722021-08-06T11:01:49.463ZSarahhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SarahMoore195
<p>Cycle lanes are great when you can use them. Today I had to cycle around a large van parked on a double yellow line and across a cycle lane.</p>
<p>Cycle lanes are great when you can use them. Today I had to cycle around a large van parked on a double yellow line and across a cycle lane.</p> As far as I know, it's illega…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14426452021-08-06T10:21:18.845ZPeterhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Peter
<p>As far as I know, it's illegal to ride them on roads and pavements. Only allowed on private grounds.</p>
<p>I almost got knocked over on the pavement the other day. Are the police doing anything about this?</p>
<p>As far as I know, it's illegal to ride them on roads and pavements. Only allowed on private grounds.</p>
<p>I almost got knocked over on the pavement the other day. Are the police doing anything about this?</p> I’m pulled in both directions…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14422312021-08-06T09:25:57.170ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>I’m pulled in both directions over e-scooters. They could make a positive contribution to reducing car use for shorter journeys but the experience of other cities has shown they can easily become a menace if unregulated. The last time I was in Paris it wasn’t only the way they were driven and the places they were used that caused problems but the way they were dumped, sometimes in piles, around entrances to metro stations.</p>
<p>I’m pulled in both directions over e-scooters. They could make a positive contribution to reducing car use for shorter journeys but the experience of other cities has shown they can easily become a menace if unregulated. The last time I was in Paris it wasn’t only the way they were driven and the places they were used that caused problems but the way they were dumped, sometimes in piles, around entrances to metro stations.</p> Thanks for those helpful and…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14422292021-08-06T09:22:54.337ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Thanks for those helpful and very relevant links, Anne. </p>
<p>Thanks for those helpful and very relevant links, Anne. </p> The French experience of many…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-06:844301:Comment:14423272021-08-06T09:09:15.862ZAnne Grayhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AnneGray
<p>The French experience of many accidents, and popular pressure leading to regulation, is instructive. See <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/09/10/e-scooter-havoc-across-french-cities-is-a-crackdown-needed/" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/09/10/e-scooter-havoc-across-french-cities-is-a-crackdown-needed/</a></p>
<p>and …</p>
<p>The French experience of many accidents, and popular pressure leading to regulation, is instructive. See <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/09/10/e-scooter-havoc-across-french-cities-is-a-crackdown-needed/" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/09/10/e-scooter-havoc-across-french-cities-is-a-crackdown-needed/</a></p>
<p>and <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/06/paris-taking-steps-to-crack-down-on-electric-scooter-providers" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/06/paris-taking-steps-to-crack-down-on-electric-scooter-providers</a></p>
<p>and <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jul/15/invasion-electric-scooter-backlash" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jul/15/invasion-electric-scooter-backlash</a> </p>
<p>Copenhagen and some other European cities are facing similar issues according to these articles. </p>
<p>Illegalising sale without a licence could help. People would then have to pay for the admin cost of a licensing system. In the 1960s even push bikes in the city of Cambridge had to have a registration plate with a number, because the thousands of student riders were seen to need to be policed but also because so many bikes got stolen. So licence plates help rider/owner as well as accident victims. </p>
<p>E-scooters should defo be legalised for going on roads but absolutely not on footpaths - see <a href="https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/policy-positions/all/all/our-position-on-e-scooters" target="_blank">https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/policy-positions/all/all/our-position-on-e-scooters</a> for a helpful set of thoughts on current situation and what should be done.</p>
<p>Living Streets, the pedestrian's lobby group, are campaigning on the issue:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/policy-and-resources/our-policy/walking-and-e-scooters" target="_blank">https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/policy-and-resources/our-policy/walking-and-e-scooters</a></p>
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