Finsbury Park Music Events - Harringay online2024-03-29T12:03:29Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/finsbury-park-music-events?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A961392&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSpot on!tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-14:844301:Comment:9618682017-02-14T12:10:41.710ZPaul Hardinghttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PaulHarding161
<p>Spot on!</p>
<p>Spot on!</p> Wireless festival is an abomi…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-13:844301:Comment:9615402017-02-13T23:57:41.663ZAnnapurnahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Annapurna
<p>Wireless festival is an abomination and definitely should not be allowed to have the park for so long! </p>
<p>Wireless festival is an abomination and definitely should not be allowed to have the park for so long! </p> The Wireless Festival runs un…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-13:844301:Comment:9612782017-02-13T07:48:11.005ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
The Wireless Festival runs until 10.30pm. The terms of your publicised case are that they can't play music after 10pm. Seems pretty consistent to me.
The Wireless Festival runs until 10.30pm. The terms of your publicised case are that they can't play music after 10pm. Seems pretty consistent to me. I wouldn't claim to speak on…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-13:844301:Comment:9613922017-02-13T02:22:29.735Zalexhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/alex62
<p>I wouldn't claim to speak on behalf of everyone, but I am aware that there are plenty of people who do live close to the park who can't bear the noise. Great that you don't mind it, but does that mean other people who don't like it should have to put up with it? The Council recently <a href="http://www.haringey.gov.uk/news/resident-gets-criminal-behaviour-order-persistent-antisocial-behaviour" target="_blank">publicised a case</a> where they got a criminal anti social behaviour order…</p>
<p>I wouldn't claim to speak on behalf of everyone, but I am aware that there are plenty of people who do live close to the park who can't bear the noise. Great that you don't mind it, but does that mean other people who don't like it should have to put up with it? The Council recently <a href="http://www.haringey.gov.uk/news/resident-gets-criminal-behaviour-order-persistent-antisocial-behaviour" target="_blank">publicised a case</a> where they got a criminal anti social behaviour order against a resident who under the terms of the order cannot play amplified music outside. So why is it considered ok when it's done by a company to make money? The reality is that it is anti social to force other people to listen to music when they don't want to.</p>
<p>As for long term damage to the park, last time I visited there were still visible bare patches in some of the re-seeded areas - and these areas can't be used for usual purposes while the grass is recovering either. Plus there is also permanent damage to some of the pavements from the metal tracks that were laid down. </p>
<p>But I also suggest you try looking up the impact on trees of ground compaction. It's not always immediately visible, but it can cause death and stunting of trees. Here's a <a href="https://www.athensclarkecounty.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/682" target="_blank">basic explanation</a> but there are plenty of others should you care to look. During the last major music event I saw lots of lorries and other vehicles parked or driving over areas underneath tree canopies where there will be tree roots below. In fact the roots often extend further than the canopy. Check out <a href="https://www.trees.org.uk/Trees.org.uk/files/61/6181f2b7-e35d-4075-832f-5e230d16aa9e.pdf" target="_blank">this document</a> produced by the arboricultural association in the UK, especially section 16.</p>
<p></p> Also a piece in the Grauniad…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-11:844301:Comment:9610122017-02-11T17:14:10.012ZGordon Thttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GordonT
<p>Also a piece in the Grauniad today - <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/feb/11/public-parks-managers-dying-breed-crisis-council-government-inquiry" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/feb/11/public-parks-managers-dying-breed-crisis-council-government-inquiry</a></p>
<p>Also a piece in the Grauniad today - <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/feb/11/public-parks-managers-dying-breed-crisis-council-government-inquiry" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/feb/11/public-parks-managers-dying-breed-crisis-council-government-inquiry</a></p> The author of the report, Cli…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-11:844301:Comment:9609072017-02-11T17:01:30.846ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
The author of the report, Clive Betts, chairman of the committee said: "Every local authority should have a strategic plan, recognising that parks are much more than just grass and tulips and bringing in resources from outside the traditional budgets.<br />
Isn't that exactly what Haringey Council have done; brought in resources from outside the traditional budgets to fully fund maintenance and investment in Finsbury Park.
The author of the report, Clive Betts, chairman of the committee said: "Every local authority should have a strategic plan, recognising that parks are much more than just grass and tulips and bringing in resources from outside the traditional budgets.<br />
Isn't that exactly what Haringey Council have done; brought in resources from outside the traditional budgets to fully fund maintenance and investment in Finsbury Park. Don't know how many of you re…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-11:844301:Comment:9610582017-02-11T12:36:49.185Zandy hhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/andrewhunt
Don't know how many of you read/scan the Torygraph but the article below is interesting and maybe links into the Finsbury Park Forum idea re planning etc<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/britishparks-returning-period-neglect-not-seen-since-1980s-mps/" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/britishparks-returning-period-neglect-not-seen-since-1980s-mps/</a>
Don't know how many of you read/scan the Torygraph but the article below is interesting and maybe links into the Finsbury Park Forum idea re planning etc<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/britishparks-returning-period-neglect-not-seen-since-1980s-mps/" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/britishparks-returning-period-neglect-not-seen-since-1980s-mps/</a> Tris, I understand your point…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-10:844301:Comment:9607832017-02-10T23:35:13.870ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Tris, I understand your point of view, but I don't think you've really responded to my concerns about it.</p>
<p>We've both expressed our views. For my part, I'm minded to leave it there.</p>
<p>Tris, I understand your point of view, but I don't think you've really responded to my concerns about it.</p>
<p>We've both expressed our views. For my part, I'm minded to leave it there.</p> Tris, if not there's no dispu…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-10:844301:Comment:9606272017-02-10T16:48:51.358ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Tris, if not there's no dispute over the right of the FoFP to challenge the Council through the courts, there is a dispute to the fact of it. Isn't that tantamount to the same thing?</p>
<p>The uncharitable response to the meat of your comment is that it sounds rather like you accept the right of the group to challenge in court but dispute their actions in so doing because you don't like the possible outcomes. That's as difficult an argument for me to swallow as the one the Government…</p>
<p>Tris, if not there's no dispute over the right of the FoFP to challenge the Council through the courts, there is a dispute to the fact of it. Isn't that tantamount to the same thing?</p>
<p>The uncharitable response to the meat of your comment is that it sounds rather like you accept the right of the group to challenge in court but dispute their actions in so doing because you don't like the possible outcomes. That's as difficult an argument for me to swallow as the one the Government recently made over the Brexit court challenge.</p>
<p>The more empathic response to what you wrote is that, yes, I can see that there are times when standing back might yield the best results. </p>
<p>I don't have any skin in this game. I'm just looking at the principles of justice involved. For that reason, as far as I'm concerned the answer isn't a straightforward one. </p>
<p>If what you say about the likely results is correct, I'm not sure that either of them is a solution I'd vote for. But does that mean I have the right to seek to bar anyone having recourse to the law of the land? I'm not sure that's where the solution lies.</p> I agree with the others. I a…tag:harringayonline.com,2017-02-10:844301:Comment:9605392017-02-10T16:05:43.755ZHelenhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/HelenLeMottee
<p>I agree with the others. I am a staunch believer in holding public bodies legally to account. But the FoFP seem to have got fixated on this issue - and I say that as someone who lives very close to the park and did find Wireless an inconvenience. They lost which of course isn't proof in itself of a poor judgment call, but many people here think it was, and the decision to fight it a continuation of that. In the meantime there is no representative body working with the Council to…</p>
<p>I agree with the others. I am a staunch believer in holding public bodies legally to account. But the FoFP seem to have got fixated on this issue - and I say that as someone who lives very close to the park and did find Wireless an inconvenience. They lost which of course isn't proof in itself of a poor judgment call, but many people here think it was, and the decision to fight it a continuation of that. In the meantime there is no representative body working with the Council to improve the facilities in the park. </p>