cyclists misusing the widened pavement on Endymion Road - Harringay online2024-03-29T15:16:00Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/cyclists-misusing-the-widened-pavement-on-endymion-road?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1290265&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIn more cynical moments I thi…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-25:844301:Comment:13236462020-10-25T10:38:22.673ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>In more cynical moments I think that councils have gleefully put these in to stop cyclists filtering past stationary traffic. In my commute down Bishopsgate I can no longer pass a long row of stationary busses because the pavements have been widened to allow exactly the width of a bus/lorry on the road.</p>
<p>In more cynical moments I think that councils have gleefully put these in to stop cyclists filtering past stationary traffic. In my commute down Bishopsgate I can no longer pass a long row of stationary busses because the pavements have been widened to allow exactly the width of a bus/lorry on the road.</p> 25/7 = 3.6 a year. I'd always…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-25:844301:Comment:13236432020-10-25T10:35:17.372ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>25/7 = 3.6 a year. I'd always heard it was between one and three a year but perhaps the Express is cherry-picking. Anyway, it's certainly not <strong>several</strong>. I'd thought that the statistic for mobility-scooter deaths was 6-9 a year but the only statistics I can find include deaths of operators by motor vehicles (14 a year) so there is only things like this left: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8436558.stm" rel="noopener" target="_blank">bbc</a>. UNless someone else…</p>
<p>25/7 = 3.6 a year. I'd always heard it was between one and three a year but perhaps the Express is cherry-picking. Anyway, it's certainly not <strong>several</strong>. I'd thought that the statistic for mobility-scooter deaths was 6-9 a year but the only statistics I can find include deaths of operators by motor vehicles (14 a year) so there is only things like this left: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8436558.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener">bbc</a>. UNless someone else with better google foo than me has them?</p>
<p>Cyclists are not the problem that you and the billionaire owned press think they are. There are middle aged lycra clad Audi owners and there are young people who use them to get to <a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/hackney-nhs-midwife-bike-stolen-a4409556.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">work</a>. I don't think lumping them all together is useful.</p> I've walked up that stretch e…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-25:844301:Comment:13235922020-10-25T10:08:11.462ZIanBhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IanB
<p>I've walked up that stretch every day over the last couple of weeks. On not a single occasion did I feel the extra space was necessary as a pedestrian. Wightman Road forces you to be closer to other people and is busier. Green Lanes obviously even more so on both counts.</p>
<p>Making things notably worse for cyclists with no benefit to anyone else is bizarre, even for Haringey. It feels like pointless box-ticking gesture. They don't have any genuine regard for pedestrians, as evidenced by…</p>
<p>I've walked up that stretch every day over the last couple of weeks. On not a single occasion did I feel the extra space was necessary as a pedestrian. Wightman Road forces you to be closer to other people and is busier. Green Lanes obviously even more so on both counts.</p>
<p>Making things notably worse for cyclists with no benefit to anyone else is bizarre, even for Haringey. It feels like pointless box-ticking gesture. They don't have any genuine regard for pedestrians, as evidenced by trying to cross the road at the nearby roundabout.</p>
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<p>P.S. My take on 'Brexit Britain' is that thinking cyclists are a significant danger to pedestrians is analogous to blaming immigrants for the state of the NHS. Fact that the article linked above is from The Express speaks volumes.</p> If cyclists pose no danger to…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13228772020-10-24T17:57:15.922ZPhil Mhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Phil99
<p>If cyclists pose no danger to pedestrians, no matter how selfishly or aggressively they're riding, then why is there a law keeping cyclists off pavements? A law, incidentally, that predates the EU referendum. </p>
<p>Just because cyclists kill fewer pedestrians than car drivers does not make cycling on the pavement OK. I feel slightly sullied sharing a link to the Express, but every year several pedestrians are killed by cyclists. …</p>
<p>If cyclists pose no danger to pedestrians, no matter how selfishly or aggressively they're riding, then why is there a law keeping cyclists off pavements? A law, incidentally, that predates the EU referendum. </p>
<p>Just because cyclists kill fewer pedestrians than car drivers does not make cycling on the pavement OK. I feel slightly sullied sharing a link to the Express, but every year several pedestrians are killed by cyclists. <a href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/863550/cyclist-killed-bicycle-accident-two-pedestrians-every-week" target="_blank">https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/863550/cyclist-killed-bicycle-accident-two-pedestrians-every-week</a> I don't think that is inventing a drama. (Considerate cyclists don't annoy me at all, I should add. I would much prefer our roads to be full of bikes than cars.)<br/><br/>And I really don't see the relevance of Brexit to this. As John says, perhaps German cyclists show a little more consideration.</p> What does Brexit have to do w…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13228672020-10-24T17:44:05.721ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
<p>What does Brexit have to do with it ? </p>
<p><em> </em>Perhaps cyclists in Europe behave responsibly and don't swoosh up silently and barge their way through the pedestrians. They might even have an audible warning of approach.</p>
<p>What does Brexit have to do with it ? </p>
<p><em> </em>Perhaps cyclists in Europe behave responsibly and don't swoosh up silently and barge their way through the pedestrians. They might even have an audible warning of approach.</p> Saying bikes are a danger to…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13227762020-10-24T17:04:14.539ZPenguinhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/richard249
<p>Saying bikes are a danger to pedestrians is just inventing a drama because they annoy you. Bikes and pedestrians the same spaces all over Europe quite peacefully. In Germany the bike path and pavement are one and the same thing and people deal with it. However, in Brexit britain...</p>
<p>Saying bikes are a danger to pedestrians is just inventing a drama because they annoy you. Bikes and pedestrians the same spaces all over Europe quite peacefully. In Germany the bike path and pavement are one and the same thing and people deal with it. However, in Brexit britain...</p> Interesting issues
Aware that…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13229522020-10-24T16:25:38.734ZBob Ruggleshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/umarex77
<p>Interesting issues</p>
<p>Aware that staffing at Finsbury Park, has effected gates being opened and closed. Plus corvid Restrictions and vehicle restrictions</p>
<p>One issue is that the Gates normally close before Dusk. So if a cycle way was put in it would be a issue of not being available in Winter evenings . As doubt park could get insurance cover for access without suitable lighting at night. And putting and running suitable lighting would be off the scales</p>
<p>Aware that there was…</p>
<p>Interesting issues</p>
<p>Aware that staffing at Finsbury Park, has effected gates being opened and closed. Plus corvid Restrictions and vehicle restrictions</p>
<p>One issue is that the Gates normally close before Dusk. So if a cycle way was put in it would be a issue of not being available in Winter evenings . As doubt park could get insurance cover for access without suitable lighting at night. And putting and running suitable lighting would be off the scales</p>
<p>Aware that there was some evening access.</p>
<p>Issue of Traffic Flow, mission impossible, with the growth in the area and number of vehicles in use . Plus current restrictions in Wightman Road, means many more travel along Green Lanes and turn into Endymion road </p>
<p>Joke is Haringey has put in Cycle Lanes in Station Road, Wood Green. Which only allows single file both sides of the road. So when buses stop, No traffic can pass. Causing massive tailbacks, especially around School times. Pass it many times and never seen a cyclist use it</p>
<p>Cycling on footway can only be dealt with by Police . But it is a issue in many places. I live near a school and often had issues with cyclist on footway around school time . Its a primary & Junior school. So plenty of youngsters running around</p>
<p>Another issue is adult's on Electric Scooters on the footway. Yes they should be able to avoid people but I and other have had issues. Mainly as so quite and speed they travel at .</p> I take your point, but it's n…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13226892020-10-24T14:05:31.125ZPhil Mhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Phil99
<p>I take your point, but it's not an either/or though, is it? That's like asking a cyclist whether they'd rather have a car or a lorry driving down a cycle lane.</p>
<p>Cars on the pavement are a danger to pedestrians. Bikes on the pavement are a danger to pedestrians, albeit less of a danger.</p>
<p>I take your point, but it's not an either/or though, is it? That's like asking a cyclist whether they'd rather have a car or a lorry driving down a cycle lane.</p>
<p>Cars on the pavement are a danger to pedestrians. Bikes on the pavement are a danger to pedestrians, albeit less of a danger.</p> If you’re worried about a few…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-10-24:844301:Comment:13226762020-10-24T13:32:21.077ZPenguinhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/richard249
<p>If you’re worried about a few cyclists on the pavement here then i think you need to look at the attached photo and really consider what the real danger to you is. <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8069383053?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8069383053?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>If you’re worried about a few cyclists on the pavement here then i think you need to look at the attached photo and really consider what the real danger to you is. <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8069383053?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8069383053?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Well my thoughts, as I run up…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-09-25:844301:Comment:12919692020-09-25T13:49:59.563Ztighahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/tigha
<p>Well my thoughts, as I run up and down this stretch into the park, several times a week, and have done for months/years. It was a surprise to see the temporary extension to the pavement, as it’s never ever been busy along there, possibly pass 2-3 group of people. Far busier on green lanes etc. But saying that, I do like it, as it means I don’t have to run in the road when passing people, but as a cyclist, I did wonder how it worked for cyclists on that already treacherous road. Question…</p>
<p>Well my thoughts, as I run up and down this stretch into the park, several times a week, and have done for months/years. It was a surprise to see the temporary extension to the pavement, as it’s never ever been busy along there, possibly pass 2-3 group of people. Far busier on green lanes etc. But saying that, I do like it, as it means I don’t have to run in the road when passing people, but as a cyclist, I did wonder how it worked for cyclists on that already treacherous road. Question answered. Who gives a donkey about cyclists, who are even further down the packing order, than runners. Lol</p>
<p>but seriously it makes complete sense to open it up for cyclists to use as well. Could easily save a life</p>