Cycling, Wightman Road, Burgoyne Road - Harringay online2024-03-19T10:37:07Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/cycling-wightman-road-burgoyne-road?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1185007&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFair enough - so it was in th…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11853472019-08-04T19:26:15.793ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>Fair enough - so it was in the plans.</p>
<p>Presumably, the associated works will take place to formalise this arrangement at the Green Lanes end, and will also provide some refuge at the pinch by the ladder.</p>
<p>And of course that the signage will be fixed so a vehicle bombing down the hill doesn’t drive at a cyclist who is merely doing what the laws allow.</p>
<p>I’d be less bothered by the contraflow at the Wightman end if it provided even a couple of flexi bollards to protect it.…</p>
<p>Fair enough - so it was in the plans.</p>
<p>Presumably, the associated works will take place to formalise this arrangement at the Green Lanes end, and will also provide some refuge at the pinch by the ladder.</p>
<p>And of course that the signage will be fixed so a vehicle bombing down the hill doesn’t drive at a cyclist who is merely doing what the laws allow.</p>
<p>I’d be less bothered by the contraflow at the Wightman end if it provided even a couple of flexi bollards to protect it. Better still the attached set up (which allows entry to an otherwise prohibited street) on Barnsbury Street in Islington - note they’ve cocked up the bike marking as it’s facing the wrong way...!</p>
<p>Note the second photo (from the opposite direction) which shows the bike contraflow signs mentioned up thread.</p>
<p>This is how the Green Lanes end SHOULD look. Chances of are...?</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3406933115?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3406933115?profile=RESIZE_710x" width="600" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3406934712?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3406934712?profile=RESIZE_710x" width="600" class="align-full"/></a></p> Thanks Hugh. I'll have a look.tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11851112019-08-04T19:25:32.811ZLaurahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Laura
<p>Thanks Hugh. I'll have a look.</p>
<p>Thanks Hugh. I'll have a look.</p> I don't have any strong views…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11850382019-08-04T18:02:44.662ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I don't have any strong views on this either way. I don't remember the backstory in detail, but it was proposed as part of the Harringay Transport Study (see page 16 of the final report in the document at the foot of <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/green-lanes-transport-study-final-report" rel="noopener" target="_blank">this post</a>).</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure it was consulted on formally. The Haringey Cycling Campaign were certainly involved. See Attachment for notes of…</p>
<p>I don't have any strong views on this either way. I don't remember the backstory in detail, but it was proposed as part of the Harringay Transport Study (see page 16 of the final report in the document at the foot of <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/green-lanes-transport-study-final-report" target="_blank" rel="noopener">this post</a>).</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure it was consulted on formally. The Haringey Cycling Campaign were certainly involved. See Attachment for notes of their meeting from September last year. You'd need to ask then for their views on it, but it doesn't sound like they objected. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3407259110?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Attachment 1 | Haringey Cycling Campaign Meeting Notes.pdf</a></p>
<p>Attachment 2 is a copy of the traffic order published last July.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3407259464?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Attachment 2 | Traffic Order.pdf</a></p>
<p>I remember this plan being brought up a few times at the local residents' meeting. I don't recall any passion for it, but neither do I remember any particular opposition.</p>
<p>I think they chose Burgoyne because it's significantly wider than all the other Ladder roads. </p> Quite - it really shouldn't b…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11850352019-08-04T16:52:23.032ZLaurahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Laura
<p>Quite - it really shouldn't be there. Did someone at Haringey Council think this is the right thing to do??? the mind boggles.</p>
<p>I hope Haringey Cycling Campaign @haringeycyclist @haringeycycling will have a comment to make.</p>
<p>Quite - it really shouldn't be there. Did someone at Haringey Council think this is the right thing to do??? the mind boggles.</p>
<p>I hope Haringey Cycling Campaign @haringeycyclist @haringeycycling will have a comment to make.</p> As a follow up, I shared the…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11850942019-08-04T12:40:51.650ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>As a follow up, I shared the pics with an acquaintance who is a traffic professional - he pointed out this is the exact opposite of how cycling contraflows usually work (allowing entry for cyclists where other vehicles are prohibited).</p>
<p>Every time I look at it I fear for the inexperienced cyclist who thinks "oh, good, a cycle lane" only to be flattened by a corner cutting car.</p>
<p>As a follow up, I shared the pics with an acquaintance who is a traffic professional - he pointed out this is the exact opposite of how cycling contraflows usually work (allowing entry for cyclists where other vehicles are prohibited).</p>
<p>Every time I look at it I fear for the inexperienced cyclist who thinks "oh, good, a cycle lane" only to be flattened by a corner cutting car.</p> There are indeed one way sign…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-04:844301:Comment:11852002019-08-04T10:31:07.061ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>There are indeed one way signs down Burgoyne, as well as one at the entrance to the road. These don’t refer to a bike lane contraflow.</p>
<p>Note in Laura’s second image that the one way sign (no contraflow reference) at the top of the road is still extant alongside the new markings.</p>
<p>Confusing at best.</p>
<p>There are indeed one way signs down Burgoyne, as well as one at the entrance to the road. These don’t refer to a bike lane contraflow.</p>
<p>Note in Laura’s second image that the one way sign (no contraflow reference) at the top of the road is still extant alongside the new markings.</p>
<p>Confusing at best.</p> "... But don't half-arse it a…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-03:844301:Comment:11851812019-08-03T20:28:13.088ZEMC2https://harringayonline.com/profile/E290
<p>"<span>... But don't half-arse it and make it acceptable for 5 yards at the top of Burgoyne." I'd have thought it was two way for cyclists all the way Dave? Are there any one-way signs along the road? Do they show one way for cars and two way for cyclists? The road adjacent to us is just that, one way for cars and two-way for cyclists and the normal one-way signs along the road show that. </span></p>
<p>"<span>... But don't half-arse it and make it acceptable for 5 yards at the top of Burgoyne." I'd have thought it was two way for cyclists all the way Dave? Are there any one-way signs along the road? Do they show one way for cars and two way for cyclists? The road adjacent to us is just that, one way for cars and two-way for cyclists and the normal one-way signs along the road show that. </span></p> This!tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-03:844301:Comment:11850072019-08-03T19:47:28.922ZSharhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/sharringay
<p>This!</p>
<p>This!</p> Perfectly put.tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-02:844301:Comment:11849562019-08-02T20:53:10.123ZDan77https://harringayonline.com/profile/Ungentrifiable
<p>Perfectly put.</p>
<p>Perfectly put.</p> So either enforce against it,…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-02:844301:Comment:11849452019-08-02T18:59:18.128ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>So either enforce against it, or formalise it up all Ladder roads.</p>
<p>... But don't half-arse it and make it acceptable for 5 yards at the top of Burgoyne.</p>
<p>More lip service paid to cycling infrastructure by Haringey.</p>
<p>So either enforce against it, or formalise it up all Ladder roads.</p>
<p>... But don't half-arse it and make it acceptable for 5 yards at the top of Burgoyne.</p>
<p>More lip service paid to cycling infrastructure by Haringey.</p>