Rogue Council Runs into Opposition from London Deputy Mayor over Another Tall Building - Harringay online2024-03-28T12:24:22Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/council-runs-into-opposition-from-london-deputy-mayor-over-anothe?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A931554&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'd keep your hopes to a mini…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-10-29:844301:Comment:9315542016-10-29T13:48:45.486ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I'd keep your hopes to a minimum. See…</p>
<p>I'd keep your hopes to a minimum. See <a href="People%20won't%20be%20surprised%20to%20learn%20that%20the%20GLA%20rubber-stamped%20Haringey's%20decision.%20Worse%20than%20that,%20they%20appear%20to%20say%20that%20planning%20policy%20only%20counts%20when%20they%20want%20it%20to%20anyway.%20Here's%20an%20extract%20from%20their%20decision:%20In%20any%20case..it%20is%20appropriate%20to%20assess%20each%20proposal%20on%20a%20site%20by%20site%20basis,%20and%20this%20applies%20whether%20or%20not%20the%20the%20site%20is%20located%20in%20an%20opportunity%20area%20or%20an%20area%20defined%20as%20suitable%20for%20tall%20buildings.%20Sound%20to%20me%20like%20they're%20saying,%20and%20if%20we%20don't%20like%20our%20own%20rules%20we'l%20make%20up%20new%20ones%20as%20we%20go%20along.%20Foe%20me%20this%20makes%20a%20nonsense%20of%20planning%20policy.%20It's%20tough%20to%20engage%20seriously%20in%20a%20situation%20like%20this." target="_blank">what the GLA revealed</a> in supporting the recent Harringay tower block.</p> HANDS OFF OUR PARK
Building 5…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-10-29:844301:Comment:9314552016-10-29T12:46:14.110ZPat Devereauxhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PatDevereaux
<p>HANDS OFF OUR PARK</p>
<p>Building 5 storey blocks on Downhills Park</p>
<p>Hi all,<br></br>Thought I would update you on how the campaign is going.<br></br>Public Meeting Tuesday 1st November 7pm at the Goan Centre. Come and see Pockets plans on how they plan to squeeze 126 dwellings onto the site and how their blocks will tower over our lovely park. Come and show your opposition to these plans .<span class="text_exposed_show"><br></br>We will have sample opposition letters there so if you have not…</span></p>
<p>HANDS OFF OUR PARK</p>
<p>Building 5 storey blocks on Downhills Park</p>
<p>Hi all,<br/>Thought I would update you on how the campaign is going.<br/>Public Meeting Tuesday 1st November 7pm at the Goan Centre. Come and see Pockets plans on how they plan to squeeze 126 dwellings onto the site and how their blocks will tower over our lovely park. Come and show your opposition to these plans .<span class="text_exposed_show"><br/>We will have sample opposition letters there so if you have not managed to do your objection yet you can take one there. The more objections the more councillors listen .<br/>Tell friends and neighbours . Get everyone who cares about the neighbourhood and the Park to join us.</span></p> Thanks Rod. I appreciate your…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-10-02:844301:Comment:9239512016-10-02T01:09:07.376ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Thanks Rod. I appreciate your comments.</p>
<p>The density matrix is at <a href="https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/planning/london-plan/current-london-plan/london-plan-chapter-3/policy-34-optimising" target="_blank">www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/planning/london-plan/current-london-plan/london-plan-chapter-3/policy-34-optimising</a>. You need to know the PTAL score for the development location tp accurately calculate the target density.</p>
<p>As far as the London Plan being contravened is…</p>
<p>Thanks Rod. I appreciate your comments.</p>
<p>The density matrix is at <a href="https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/planning/london-plan/current-london-plan/london-plan-chapter-3/policy-34-optimising" target="_blank">www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/planning/london-plan/current-london-plan/london-plan-chapter-3/policy-34-optimising</a>. You need to know the PTAL score for the development location tp accurately calculate the target density.</p>
<p>As far as the London Plan being contravened is concerned, my conversation with the GLA case officer for the Hampden Road case gave me the impression that it will be unlikely that the Council's decision will be reversed. There are several clear contraventions of the London Plan in the Hampden Road case. Whatever the situation, in any case referred to him, the Mayor has three options:</p>
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<li>Take over the case and acti as the planning authority.</li>
<li>Direct the Council to make a certain decision.</li>
<li>Allow the Council to make its own determination.</li>
</ol>
<p>I was told that it's very rare for the mayoral powers granted under options 1 & 2 to be exercised. </p>
<p>Apparently the Mayor has a meeting on the cases referred to him each Monday. He personally reads the officers' reports and recommendations prior to making a decision. Apparently the Harringay case will go before him this coming Monday or the subsequent one - a determination must be made within 14 days of the GLA having received the local decision from the Council. My level of optimism for any reversal is very low. </p> Hi Hugh
I have to agree with…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-10-01:844301:Comment:9237312016-10-01T23:49:05.730ZRod Wellshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RodWells
<p>Hi Hugh</p>
<p>I have to agree with your analysis of the difference between decisions rushed thru on Hampden Rd and the more considered engagement on the earlier 500 White Hart Lane.And the completely unlevel playing field btwn developers and their long negotiations and residents' 3 minutes pleas !</p>
<p>Is it down to the amount of lobbying done before by cllrs and residents. Or is it down to the amount of "so called affordable " homes Haringey can squeeze onto a site to make up for the…</p>
<p>Hi Hugh</p>
<p>I have to agree with your analysis of the difference between decisions rushed thru on Hampden Rd and the more considered engagement on the earlier 500 White Hart Lane.And the completely unlevel playing field btwn developers and their long negotiations and residents' 3 minutes pleas !</p>
<p>Is it down to the amount of lobbying done before by cllrs and residents. Or is it down to the amount of "so called affordable " homes Haringey can squeeze onto a site to make up for the lack at the Spurs site and elsewhere? Even if this means 14 storey building . ( I refer to your comments on Hampden Rd under that post.)</p>
<p>I am also concerned that Haringey contravenes local and London Plans and the regional planning authority -the GLA .</p>
<p>I was there as I am a member of the Keston Action Group who oppose a modest (in comparison )4.5 storey (really 5 ) planned development but one that will dominate the local 100 year old Downhills Park. Its in asuburban area of 2/3 storeys per Haringeys DPD . The Pre Application briefing was later where it seems the developer Pocket Living get a chance to introduce their plans and fend off any problem questions that the sub ctte may have before they submit their final plans</p>
<p>We believe the density at Keston at 130 per hectare is the high end of the London PLan matrix of 70/170 especially when the Site Allocation was 70 units. Can you point me in the reference in the London Plan on density ?</p> Yes according to the London P…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-09-25:844301:Comment:9210682016-09-25T00:49:27.820ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Yes according to the London Plan you can build more densely on sites closer to transport hubs. However the same London plan also strictly limits the sites where high buildings are permitted. The Ladder site is clearly and absolutely not one of them. These provisions are reflected in the borough's own policies.</p>
<p>As previous plans showed, densities compliant with those in the London Plan could be obtained on the Hampden Road site without building a tower.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest…</p>
<p>Yes according to the London Plan you can build more densely on sites closer to transport hubs. However the same London plan also strictly limits the sites where high buildings are permitted. The Ladder site is clearly and absolutely not one of them. These provisions are reflected in the borough's own policies.</p>
<p>As previous plans showed, densities compliant with those in the London Plan could be obtained on the Hampden Road site without building a tower.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest the densities planned for in the site in the application that was just approved, were in excess of those permitted in the London Plan. These densities were calculated by including the area of Hampden Road into the calculation. Once the road is excluded, the densities are well in excess of the London Plan limits. One of the reasons that the GLA's report on the application said it that it did not comply with the London Plan was on the basis of the density. They required a recalculation, omitting the road from its basis. It is my understanding that this was not done.</p>
<p>One of the principal reasons that the design in the most recent application required a tower was because a significant area of square footage on the site is allocated to open, rather than under-croft, car parking. </p>
<p>It is neither the London Plan, nor the metrics within it that are the problem in this case. The issue with the determination of the Hampden Road application was error and misjudgement on the part of the Council.</p> As I understand it, the counc…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-09-24:844301:Comment:9208342016-09-24T17:14:10.055ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>As I understand it, the council approve 1,000 new dwellings a year or they'll have planning taken away from them by the GLA. According to the London Plan you can build extremely "densely" next to a public transport hub like a railway station. When we operate in three dimensions and land is scarce, dense means up.</p>
<p>Land is cheap alongside a railway line (Heartlands High School for example) but perversely must be quite valuable alongside the railway AND right next to the station. The…</p>
<p>As I understand it, the council approve 1,000 new dwellings a year or they'll have planning taken away from them by the GLA. According to the London Plan you can build extremely "densely" next to a public transport hub like a railway station. When we operate in three dimensions and land is scarce, dense means up.</p>
<p>Land is cheap alongside a railway line (Heartlands High School for example) but perversely must be quite valuable alongside the railway AND right next to the station. The crazy thing is that the best thing for Londoners is a 5-10 minute walk to their local public transport hub, not a one minute walk. That would be like living in Hertfordshire and walking to your car. Previous generations knew this and accordingly did NOT build homes right next to railway stations. The problem is the very recent metrics in the London Plan. If you want a really stark example look at what's been happening around Finsbury Park station since this came in.</p>
<p>The London Plan is horrendously flawed in this respect and is what is leading to situations like this.</p> Go Jo, that's Labour Cooperat…tag:harringayonline.com,2016-09-24:844301:Comment:9209752016-09-24T15:53:09.257Zmatthew cuthberthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/matthewcuthbert
Go Jo, that's Labour Cooperative in Action. Development in scale with people.<br />
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The Hampden Rd developments massing is too mean, their squeezing too much into the site to allow for good design for living, wind tunnels, light deminished 25 degrees out from the build, another 24 cars vieing for already oversubscribed parking, an unsatisfactory proportion of affordable housing this shouldn't get first nod. Let's get CABE to review the design.<br />
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A councilor should fight for the best for residents and…
Go Jo, that's Labour Cooperative in Action. Development in scale with people.<br />
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The Hampden Rd developments massing is too mean, their squeezing too much into the site to allow for good design for living, wind tunnels, light deminished 25 degrees out from the build, another 24 cars vieing for already oversubscribed parking, an unsatisfactory proportion of affordable housing this shouldn't get first nod. Let's get CABE to review the design.<br />
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A councilor should fight for the best for residents and not throw the towel in first round, much more could be achieved. This is two fingers to the people of Harringay.<br />
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Where is the Community Infrastructure Levy Money going, out of Harringay and what is the 123 list of approved community projects?<br />
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Frobisher road Junction with Green Lanes is a disgrace, hostile and dangerous, as is Turnpike Lane with Wightman Rd.<br />
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Where's the commitment to Living Wightman's aims for achieving a healthy living environment for residents?<br />
Mitigating the impact of excessive vehicular movement though the Ladder and across Harringay, affecting all our health.<br />
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Tackling drug dealing on Harringay Passage, pushed on from Duckets Common.<br />
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Coordinating services to deal with homlessness in Finsbury Park and Green Lanes, with safe accommodation and rehabilitation.<br />
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Accessible transport for Hornsey and Harringay Stations, is anyone talking to Network Rail, Harringay pedestrian bridge continues to go ignored, as does the station overall to widen entrances to platforms, that are fit for purpose, and not restrictive and dangerous.<br />
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The ugly utilitarian palisade fencing down Wightman was requested by the council, no consideration to any visual impact to the road.<br />
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Our nearest EV charging station is Shopping City, nothing for Ladder residents to consider going electric, as an alternative. Where are our charging stations?<br />
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North Harringay and South Harringay Schools need money to refurbish and modernise.<br />
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We need to be heard.