Council Decides to Rename Black Boy Lane - Harringay online2024-03-29T13:59:50Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/council-launches-consultation-for-the-renaming-of-black-boy-lane?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1485256&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks dan i replace 'them' f…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14852562022-04-02T19:36:34.039ZJim Walshhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JimWalsh
<p>Thanks dan i replace 'them' for 'us' hope this helps</p>
<p>Thanks dan i replace 'them' for 'us' hope this helps</p> Them? Interesting prejudice t…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14852502022-04-02T16:55:34.182ZDan Smeetonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DanSmeeton
<p>Them? Interesting prejudice there.</p>
<p>Them? Interesting prejudice there.</p> michael. wembley stadium foot…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14852432022-04-02T14:37:34.123ZJim Walshhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JimWalsh
<p>michael. wembley stadium football game, england v nigeria.</p>
<p>english fans sing :</p>
<p>'<span>Rule Britannia!</span><br/><span>Britannia rule the waves</span><br/><span>Britons never, never, never shall be slaves</span>'</p>
<p>it's a waste of time trying to explain to them the concept of irony. like asking a pet dog to listen to beethoven.</p>
<p>michael. wembley stadium football game, england v nigeria.</p>
<p>english fans sing :</p>
<p>'<span>Rule Britannia!</span><br/><span>Britannia rule the waves</span><br/><span>Britons never, never, never shall be slaves</span>'</p>
<p>it's a waste of time trying to explain to them the concept of irony. like asking a pet dog to listen to beethoven.</p> 65% of responses by residents…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14851472022-04-02T13:56:16.912ZWillhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Will43
<p>65% of responses by residents of Haringey were in favour of the name change. The residents of a particular street don't have ownership over it or its naming. The Council represents the borough.</p>
<p>65% of responses by residents of Haringey were in favour of the name change. The residents of a particular street don't have ownership over it or its naming. The Council represents the borough.</p> I was expanding on Gina's poi…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14848392022-04-02T12:56:41.158ZBrian Mahoneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianMahoney
<p>I was expanding on Gina's point. Do you have an alternative view?</p>
<p>I was expanding on Gina's point. Do you have an alternative view?</p> Then why did you feel you had…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14851442022-04-02T12:28:36.658ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Then why did you feel you had to share your views on slavery?</p>
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<p>Then why did you feel you had to share your views on slavery?</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10256805884?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10256805884?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Again, Black Boy Lane has not…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14848382022-04-02T12:17:15.373ZBrian Mahoneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BrianMahoney
<p>Again, Black Boy Lane has nothing to do with slavery or with black people. It is a reference to a pub named after either King Charles or chimney sweeps who were typically young boys who got covered in black soot every day. That's it. </p>
<p>No need to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds and inflict years of administrative chaos on often elderly and vulnerable residents who'll have to change their address on nearly every official document they own. </p>
<p>Especially, when the residents…</p>
<p>Again, Black Boy Lane has nothing to do with slavery or with black people. It is a reference to a pub named after either King Charles or chimney sweeps who were typically young boys who got covered in black soot every day. That's it. </p>
<p>No need to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds and inflict years of administrative chaos on often elderly and vulnerable residents who'll have to change their address on nearly every official document they own. </p>
<p>Especially, when the residents have said a number of times that they oppose the change. What does that say about local democracy in Haringey?</p>
<p>Especially when our Borough is amongst the poorest in England with literally hundreds of families, including black families, who are in dire need of more and better council services which could be provided with the money.</p>
<p>No need to erase part of our local history.</p>
<p>Noone wins. Everyone looses.</p>
<p></p>
<p></p> Looks interesting.
A pity tha…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14850052022-04-02T10:29:35.285ZJJ Bhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JJB
<p>Looks interesting.</p>
<p>A pity that some people don't understand the real and lasting effects that enslavement and continuing treatment of peoples from the African continent and of African descent, particularly on the part of 'white' Europeans, has had on the continent and the world, over the centuries.</p>
<p>I am not sure one can equate the type and extent of pernicious, systemic, extreme economic exploitation, religious domination and the share lack of humanity given the level brutalism…</p>
<p>Looks interesting.</p>
<p>A pity that some people don't understand the real and lasting effects that enslavement and continuing treatment of peoples from the African continent and of African descent, particularly on the part of 'white' Europeans, has had on the continent and the world, over the centuries.</p>
<p>I am not sure one can equate the type and extent of pernicious, systemic, extreme economic exploitation, religious domination and the share lack of humanity given the level brutalism of the physical violence that was involved.</p>
<p>The lasting effects are ever so present and still being felt. It is offensive when people make lighted-hearted comparisons.</p>
<p>That said, I think the BBL debacle was a sign of the ineptitude and lack of proper management/direction and just proper STANDARDS by HaringeyLabour. But it is a symptom too of the infighting factions in NationalLabour with their enthralment with ideology. We need pragmatic solutions given the changing world situation. And using just one type of lens to inspect and analyse something often gives one sided outcomes. I just can;’t understand why they infight at the expense of those they should represent. The Tories (not a great example) know when to stand together.</p>
<p>I would wish to see from Haringey Labour much better communication on their VISION for the place. I know many people in my lefty circle who just do not want to vote for them in the upcoming elections. But they seem to be a shoe-in and Tottenham, in particular, is paying a heavy price due to the level of mediocrity and the missed opportunities that has resulted from patchy delivery of services and almost immediate reversal of gains when these are achieved. I am fully aware of the financial challenges the council has faced. But these just do not explain the waste and ineptitude and the physical state of the east of the borough - look at neighbouring Labour boroughs!</p>
<p>NB - I am of mixed heritage and my father was as black as tar and my mother blue-eyed blond. So there!</p> A quick thank you Andy H for…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14849362022-04-02T09:53:21.353ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>A quick thank you Andy H for your speedy reply. I'll set aside time this weekend to follow and read material in your links. <br/><br/>Early on in this discussion thread Hugh Flouch and others suggested drawing on the experience and solutions of other places. A new if not revolutionary idea where the custom is often to start with a favoured conclusion and work backwards.</p>
<p>A quick thank you Andy H for your speedy reply. I'll set aside time this weekend to follow and read material in your links. <br/><br/>Early on in this discussion thread Hugh Flouch and others suggested drawing on the experience and solutions of other places. A new if not revolutionary idea where the custom is often to start with a favoured conclusion and work backwards.</p> I think this is it
https://sl…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-04-02:844301:Comment:14849342022-04-02T06:42:02.372Zandy hhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/andrewhunt
<p>I think this is it</p>
<p><a href="https://slaveryandjustice.brown.edu/" target="_blank">https://slaveryandjustice.brown.edu/</a></p>
<p>its all interesting but I thought the PROGRESS part especially positive. </p>
<p>and below the Brown diversity and action plan </p>
<p><a href="https://diap.brown.edu/plans-reports/university-diap-2016" target="_blank">https://diap.brown.edu/plans-reports/university-diap-2016</a></p>
<p></p>
<p>I think this is it</p>
<p><a href="https://slaveryandjustice.brown.edu/" target="_blank">https://slaveryandjustice.brown.edu/</a></p>
<p>its all interesting but I thought the PROGRESS part especially positive. </p>
<p>and below the Brown diversity and action plan </p>
<p><a href="https://diap.brown.edu/plans-reports/university-diap-2016" target="_blank">https://diap.brown.edu/plans-reports/university-diap-2016</a></p>
<p></p>