Cllr Kober and the HDV - Harringay online2024-03-29T01:00:32Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/cllr-kober-and-the-hdv?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1055126&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI need to make a clarificatio…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-03:844301:Comment:10556152018-02-03T07:59:21.203ZNeville Collinshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Nev2020
<p>I need to make a clarification over a previous post on this thread. In it was rightly said that I made statements about the spending of funds on regeneration that have been viewed by many people as libellous. in the light of this, I have since withdrawn from making that remark and apologise for any distress or offence it has caused.</p>
<p>I need to make a clarification over a previous post on this thread. In it was rightly said that I made statements about the spending of funds on regeneration that have been viewed by many people as libellous. in the light of this, I have since withdrawn from making that remark and apologise for any distress or offence it has caused.</p> Nobody said anti-Semitism fro…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10554962018-02-02T19:09:48.478ZAdmiralhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JamesChiriyankandath
<p>Nobody said anti-Semitism from anyone is OK. If points made are to be taken seriously it is advisable to be careful, temperate and civil in how they are expressed.</p>
<p>Nobody said anti-Semitism from anyone is OK. If points made are to be taken seriously it is advisable to be careful, temperate and civil in how they are expressed.</p> Billy, agreed, it's disgusti…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10557502018-02-02T18:56:26.454ZProtheroe O'Sheahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TunbridgeWells
<p>Billy, agreed, it's disgusting. But you spend a lot of energy tarring the Labour Party with antisemitism and turn a blind eye to your beloved tories who are quite arguably the biggest racists in mainstream politics. WTF and all that... my half sister, brother and nieces are Jews. I am a member of the Labour Party, and I am not an antisemite. Back off with your generalisations. </p>
<p>Billy, agreed, it's disgusting. But you spend a lot of energy tarring the Labour Party with antisemitism and turn a blind eye to your beloved tories who are quite arguably the biggest racists in mainstream politics. WTF and all that... my half sister, brother and nieces are Jews. I am a member of the Labour Party, and I am not an antisemite. Back off with your generalisations. </p> they were on the stop the war…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10554842018-02-02T17:00:35.422ZProtheroe O'Sheahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TunbridgeWells
<p>they were on the stop the war march too. </p>
<p>they were on the stop the war march too. </p> My son and I were on that mar…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10556462018-02-02T16:27:16.991ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>My son and I were on that march. You can always find someone you don't like on them.</p>
<p>My son and I were on that march. You can always find someone you don't like on them.</p> All new buildings, whether pr…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10555712018-02-02T16:20:10.414ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
<p>All new buildings, whether private or not, over 30m have been required to have sprinkler systems since 2007.</p>
<p>All new buildings, whether private or not, over 30m have been required to have sprinkler systems since 2007.</p> As this discussion is now (en…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10555682018-02-02T15:33:33.120ZDavid Schmitzhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DavidSchmitz
<p>As this discussion is now (entirely properly) going into related issues of development in Tottenham, I think it important to remind everyone of what I said in my original posting. </p>
<p>My point is not that the imminent defeat of the HDV is a Liberal Democrat victory. Clearly that could not have happened without broad support from others (including some Labour Councillors) and the community at large.</p>
<p>My point is rather that the Liberal Democrats provided the first effective and…</p>
<p>As this discussion is now (entirely properly) going into related issues of development in Tottenham, I think it important to remind everyone of what I said in my original posting. </p>
<p>My point is not that the imminent defeat of the HDV is a Liberal Democrat victory. Clearly that could not have happened without broad support from others (including some Labour Councillors) and the community at large.</p>
<p>My point is rather that the Liberal Democrats provided the first effective and intellectually rigorous opposition and that this enabled others to rally to the cause. It is important to make this point because their essential contribution has been overlooked by many parts of the news media, who have tended to view it as entirely an internal Labour squabble and who have also ignored the fact that opposition to the scheme is not to be attributed solely to the Left. To attribute it thus is to distract attention from the serious flaws in the scheme itself.</p>
<p>The lesson this should teach, in my opinion, is that a strong Opposition is essential to a well functioning democracy. To leave the job of opposition to one faction or another in a governing group won't suffice.</p>
<p>i know from private discussions that some Labour activists were very concerned about this scheme quite some time ago, but that concern was not and could not have been given expression until we acted.</p>
<p>My point now having been made again, by all means let us look forward to a communal victory and let us continue to fight together to ensure the well being of the people who are threatened by unsympathetic development.</p> Hi Joe
absolutely fair point…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10554392018-02-02T15:08:48.182ZTammy Palmerhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TamaraC
<p>Hi Joe</p>
<p>absolutely fair point and sorry if I wasn't clear - obviously I don't share that view point and I was genuinely only commenting on the development aspect - thanks for raising and also allowing me the chance to clarify! <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p>
<p>Hi Joe</p>
<p>absolutely fair point and sorry if I wasn't clear - obviously I don't share that view point and I was genuinely only commenting on the development aspect - thanks for raising and also allowing me the chance to clarify! <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p> A salutary reminder of where…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10554722018-02-02T15:00:50.340ZAdmiralhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JamesChiriyankandath
<p>A salutary reminder of where on the political spectrum the majority of those who hold racist and anti-Semitic views are found.</p>
<p>A salutary reminder of where on the political spectrum the majority of those who hold racist and anti-Semitic views are found.</p> on the subject or racist poli…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-02-02:844301:Comment:10553292018-02-02T14:56:53.135ZProtheroe O'Sheahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TunbridgeWells
<p>on the subject or racist politicians</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018" target="_blank">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018…</a></p>
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<p>on the subject or racist politicians</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018" target="_blank">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/tory-racism-racist-n-word-in-woodpile-anne-marie-morris-other-examples-conservatives-a7834291.html" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/tory-racism-racist-n-word-in-woodpile-anne-marie-morris-other-examples-conservatives-a7834291.html</a></p>