Braddock and an Odd Hornsey Church Postcard - Harringay online2024-03-28T16:29:43Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/braddock-and-an-odd-hornsey-church-postcard?groupUrl=historyofharringay&commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1475772&groupId=844301%3AGroup%3A10&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI wonder if Braddock produced…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-22:844301:Comment:14774302022-02-22T13:29:04.135ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I wonder if Braddock produced a retrospective set c1910 when income was low. If Edwin Monk's 1911 date is right for the St Mary's Fields footpath postcard, then this was not long after he'd given up his studio premises in Alexandra Road. Could he have been down on his luck? Had work dried up a bit?</p>
<p>I haven't used the name <em>Church Path</em>, because that name is commonly used for the path going uphil from the church, south through the Glebe and joining up with Tottenham Lane just…</p>
<p>I wonder if Braddock produced a retrospective set c1910 when income was low. If Edwin Monk's 1911 date is right for the St Mary's Fields footpath postcard, then this was not long after he'd given up his studio premises in Alexandra Road. Could he have been down on his luck? Had work dried up a bit?</p>
<p>I haven't used the name <em>Church Path</em>, because that name is commonly used for the path going uphil from the church, south through the Glebe and joining up with Tottenham Lane just near the old <em>Hope & Anchor</em>. It is shown on the six-inch 1863-69 Ordnance Survey map.</p> https://twitter.com/AllyPally…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-22:844301:Comment:14774792022-02-22T13:17:33.650ZGerry Nhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GerryNewby
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/AllyPallyMuseum/status/1410153494246531076/photo/1" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/AllyPallyMuseum/status/1410153494246531076/photo/1</a> wanted to show…</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://twitter.com/AllyPallyMuseum/status/1410153494246531076/photo/1" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/AllyPallyMuseum/status/1410153494246531076/photo/1</a> wanted to show you experts the title lettering & method used, see bottom RH of this ( presumed?) poscard? it owes more to a print than photo! Could this also be a Braddock production? The place where the discussed real Braddock photo was taken, I am calling "Church path"------ running from Hornsey church to the Three Compasses Inn & crossing the new river with a footbridge.(until New River diversion). This path was separated from Horney High St by trees. It is shown on the (1870 ish map) <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345952" target="_blank">https://maps.nls.uk/view/102345952</a> --- but has gone completely by late 1890's <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://maps.nls.uk/view/101919696" target="_blank">https://maps.nls.uk/view/101919696</a> Note that the narrow part of Hornsey High St has been widened too by 1890's.</p> Cor, Braddock is the gift tha…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-22:844301:Comment:14772412022-02-22T07:43:20.572ZKen Stevenshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/KenStevens
<p>Cor, Braddock is the gift that keeps on giving! - and no doubt more little fascinating facts will emerge as time goes by.</p>
<p>Perhaps 50 Cranley Gardens is is at the far end of the houses in this pic, on the curve.</p>
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<p>Cor, Braddock is the gift that keeps on giving! - and no doubt more little fascinating facts will emerge as time goes by.</p>
<p>Perhaps 50 Cranley Gardens is is at the far end of the houses in this pic, on the curve.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10144305677?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10144305677?profile=RESIZE_710x" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> A little more on this photo.…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-22:844301:Comment:14774572022-02-22T00:25:50.927ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>A little more on this photo. Today I was at the Hornsey Historical Society about something completely different and whist I was there, I happened to notice an original copy of this postcard. It's part of a collection gifted by a chap named Edwin Monk, who died a few days short of his 99th birthday, after spending most of his life in Hornsey. </p>
<p>Monk was born in 1879 at <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/LYdXWoRkbHnpn4wX7" rel="noopener" target="_blank">21 Devonshire Street (now Devonia…</a></p>
<p>A little more on this photo. Today I was at the Hornsey Historical Society about something completely different and whist I was there, I happened to notice an original copy of this postcard. It's part of a collection gifted by a chap named Edwin Monk, who died a few days short of his 99th birthday, after spending most of his life in Hornsey. </p>
<p>Monk was born in 1879 at <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/LYdXWoRkbHnpn4wX7" target="_blank" rel="noopener">21 Devonshire Street (now Devonia Street)</a> Islington. His father was a heraldic engraver, (an engraver of ornate lettering and heraldic devices). The Hornsey Historical Society information says he moved to Stroud Green aged 6. I have tracked him down to <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/ebserioNJ6AHvtiL7" target="_blank" rel="noopener">35 Osian Road</a> between 1887 and 1889. Then, shortly after his 10th birthday, the family moved to <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/7yMmixsdyR3vh5ez7" target="_blank" rel="noopener">154 Wightman Road</a> (in old money 2 Stanley Villas, Wightman Road), just north of the junction with Seymour Road. </p>
<p>After he married in 1908, he moved out of his parent's Wightman Road home and rented a house at <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/mg7Z5PSgs9ZJkY9m8" target="_blank" rel="noopener">50 Cranley Gardens</a> Muswell Hill, where he stayed almost until the end of his life. By 1911, he was working as a clerk to an electrical supply company. By 1939, at the age of 60, he'd worked his way up to become the chief cashier. </p>
<p>Monk had a keen interest in Hornsey's history. In the early 1970s, as a nonagenarian, he wrote his memories of a Hornsey then long-gone In 1976, they were published as the <a href="https://hornseyhistorical.org.uk/memories-of-hornsey/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Hornsey Historical Society's first book</a>. He'd also collected postcards through his life, many of them Braddock's work, which he donated to the newly formed HHS. He added typed labels to the back of each card. Apparently he had a very sharp memory, but nonetheless we must allow for the possibility of human error.</p>
<p>On this card there is a hand-written note (I'm not sure of the author) which says</p>
<blockquote>From a negative taken by A Braddock living at 8 Campsbourne (1911)</blockquote>
<p>Beneath it, the typed label includes a reference to the photo showing the church in 1876. But I assume he simply took that from the date on the front of the card. </p>
<p>So, whilst this confirms that the card is probably a Braddock, it doesn't throw much light on the date. My opinion remains as above. I've still no idea where my unadulterated version comes from, It's not the one at the HHS.</p> No Hugh, I'm not saying that.…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-19:844301:Comment:14772682022-02-19T12:53:18.978ZJohn Shulverhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/John_Shulver
<p>No Hugh, I'm not saying that. The old lady appears on your original photo. Cut out gentleman has been added to that photo.</p>
<p>No Hugh, I'm not saying that. The old lady appears on your original photo. Cut out gentleman has been added to that photo.</p> Check my original unadulterat…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-18:844301:Comment:14771492022-02-18T18:17:16.115ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Check my original unadulterated version of the photo in the comments above. The old lady isn't a cut-out, </p>
<p>Check my original unadulterated version of the photo in the comments above. The old lady isn't a cut-out, </p> All very fascinating and acco…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-18:844301:Comment:14770322022-02-18T18:11:47.173ZJohn Shulverhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/John_Shulver
<p>All very fascinating and accompanied by usual in-depth detective work we have come to expect from HoL members. BUT.........standing aside and behind of Mister Cut-out, over his left shoulder appears to be a vision of an old lady. Wearing a darkish brimmed hat, the brim being in line with iron railing, waist length dark jacket and a light grey ballooned skirt. (Maybe helps to enlarge image). Looks quite a ghost like image, almost "witchy". Now further on from that, if that is a lady…</p>
<p>All very fascinating and accompanied by usual in-depth detective work we have come to expect from HoL members. BUT.........standing aside and behind of Mister Cut-out, over his left shoulder appears to be a vision of an old lady. Wearing a darkish brimmed hat, the brim being in line with iron railing, waist length dark jacket and a light grey ballooned skirt. (Maybe helps to enlarge image). Looks quite a ghost like image, almost "witchy". Now further on from that, if that is a lady can we suppose that she has died and someone has cut out an image of her husband/whatever as a keepsake. Or visa versa ?? They are about same height taking into account he is standing slightly forward of her. AND might that be water in the foreground of photo ? It forms an irregular edge. I await torrents of abuse and humility but it is just a thought, putting it out there as one says.</p> https://harringayonline.com/p…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-12:844301:Comment:14763072022-02-12T21:34:03.963ZGerry Nhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GerryNewby
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<div>New river behind this Inn, flowing right to left, crossing this path to the church, mid way between them. the second white fence is the inn boundary (I think)…</div>
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<div>New river behind this Inn, flowing right to left, crossing this path to the church, mid way between them. the second white fence is the inn boundary (I think)</div>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://harringayonline.com/photo/three-compasses-high-street-hornsey-1892" target="_blank">https://harringayonline.com/photo/three-compasses-high-street-horns...</a><span> Braddock photo ?</span></p>
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<div>This must be looking at the northside of Hornsey high st, as on the 1862-69 OS 6 inch map, nothing is on the south side ( except three Compasses & the church ) --<em><span>Fig 6:</span><span> </span>New River crossing to the east of the Three Compasses, George Shadbolt 1860</em></div> https://harringayonline.com/g…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-11:844301:Comment:14761932022-02-11T23:46:06.061ZGerry Nhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GerryNewby
<p><a href="https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/a-river-through-it-development-of-the-new-river-and-water-works-i" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/a...</a> On your excellent article above, I am showing your Fig 7 illustration from it If you look at Fig 6, you can see the metal fencing used along the new river & it seems to match the photo in discussion. Has it been re-used to fence…</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/a-river-through-it-development-of-the-new-river-and-water-works-i" target="_blank">https://harringayonline.com/group/historyofharringay/forum/topics/a...</a> On your excellent article above, I am showing your Fig 7 illustration from it If you look at Fig 6, you can see the metal fencing used along the new river & it seems to match the photo in discussion. Has it been re-used to fence off the field ? Also your map 12 matches the line of this walkway just N of the church and running to the west of the church. ( showing here also) On the Braddock "touch up photo, do you think he has tried to put the New River back in the foreground infront of the gate ? </p> For info - Braddock was in Al…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-02-11:844301:Comment:14758732022-02-11T00:54:12.004ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>For info - Braddock was in Alexandra Road by 1890: that's a matter or record. The old church was left standing until 1927.</p>
<p>For info - Braddock was in Alexandra Road by 1890: that's a matter or record. The old church was left standing until 1927.</p>