Blackboy renaming to go ahead on 23 January - Harringay online2024-03-29T05:18:20Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/blackboy-renaming-to-go-ahead-on-23-january?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1521763&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOfficers and Members rarely r…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15220782022-12-23T23:07:54.160ZBBLhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/BBL
<p>Officers and Members rarely reply to letters/emails, not even an acknowledgment.</p>
<p> I wrote to Cllrs about the cost of the scheme and other matters related to the name change of Black Boy Lane, I am still waiting for a response to my email of 14th October and at least 7 other emails going back to 2020. </p>
<p><span>I then met with one of St Ann’s Cllrs who told me they didn’t know what the cost the road name change would be. </span></p>
<p>I said £186k had been mooted as the cost of…</p>
<p>Officers and Members rarely reply to letters/emails, not even an acknowledgment.</p>
<p> I wrote to Cllrs about the cost of the scheme and other matters related to the name change of Black Boy Lane, I am still waiting for a response to my email of 14th October and at least 7 other emails going back to 2020. </p>
<p><span>I then met with one of St Ann’s Cllrs who told me they didn’t know what the cost the road name change would be. </span></p>
<p>I said £186k had been mooted as the cost of the road name change and the Cllr suggested that £186k was a drop in the ocean of LBH’s overall budget and because it was coming from the Corporate budget all is fine.</p>
<p>Based on past engagement with the Council, I hope to limit my dealings with them but fear that their inability to plan properly or communicate effectively that will be the case. I have don’t have any confidence that the transition from Black Boy Lane to La Rose Lane will be a smooth one.</p> All linked threads can be acc…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15220702022-12-23T20:54:01.958ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>All linked threads can be accessed via the tag underneath the original post above. </p>
<p>All linked threads can be accessed via the tag underneath the original post above. </p> Jon — My memory is that, in t…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15219302022-12-23T20:18:16.162ZDonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DonKeller
<p>Jon — My memory is that, in the council’s online report of the original committee discussion (in 2021), officers gave an estimate of £300,000 for the renaming. I can’t now find the reference, but if you look at the previous, very long, HoL thread on this subject, I think you may find a link to it. I don’t know why it might now be £500,000, but perhaps that could be an informed update?</p>
<p>Jon — My memory is that, in the council’s online report of the original committee discussion (in 2021), officers gave an estimate of £300,000 for the renaming. I can’t now find the reference, but if you look at the previous, very long, HoL thread on this subject, I think you may find a link to it. I don’t know why it might now be £500,000, but perhaps that could be an informed update?</p> Cem — In a previous, very lon…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15220672022-12-23T20:10:56.534ZDonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DonKeller
<p>Cem — In a previous, very long, thread about the renaming when it was first suggested, it seemed to be quite well established that nobody (including the local history museum) could definitively trace the name’s origins; options included chimney sweeps, Charles II, and former slaves who’d escaped from shops docked in Bristol or Liverpool, as well as a generic term for people of colour. This seems scant justification for a major — and very expensive — name change.</p>
<p>Cem — In a previous, very long, thread about the renaming when it was first suggested, it seemed to be quite well established that nobody (including the local history museum) could definitively trace the name’s origins; options included chimney sweeps, Charles II, and former slaves who’d escaped from shops docked in Bristol or Liverpool, as well as a generic term for people of colour. This seems scant justification for a major — and very expensive — name change.</p> You can indeed request "a bre…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15218172022-12-23T15:49:34.725ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>You can indeed request <em>"a breakdown of where the money went exactly"</em>. But for actual figures of spend you'd need to time your Freedom of Information Request until after the money has been paid out and - to be sure - until after the stage for dealing with particular problems has been completed.</p>
<p><strong> + + +</strong><br></br>P.S. At least until the end of November 2022 Haringey F.o.I. replies still pretended that people were not allowed to share information obtained through this…</p>
<p>You can indeed request <em>"a breakdown of where the money went exactly"</em>. But for actual figures of spend you'd need to time your Freedom of Information Request until after the money has been paid out and - to be sure - until after the stage for dealing with particular problems has been completed.</p>
<p><strong> + + +</strong><br/>P.S. At least until the end of November 2022 Haringey F.o.I. replies still pretended that people were not allowed to share information obtained through this law. I've added their paragraph below. I'm very glad some Haringey staff were persisting in this nonsense. It showed that at until recently claims of <em><strong>openness</strong></em>, <strong><em>transparency, accountability</em></strong> and suchlike were blather, bunkum and balderdash.<br/>____________________________________________________________</p>
<p><em>"This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be</em><br/><em>subject to legal privilege and are intended only for the person(s) or</em><br/><em>organisation(s) to whom this email is addressed. Any unauthorised use,</em><br/><em>retention, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If</em><br/><em>you have received this email in error, please notify the system</em><br/><em>administrator at Haringey Council immediately and delete this e-mail from</em><br/><em>your system."<br/><br/></em>I would of course never in any way encourage people searching <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">What Do They Know website </span></a> to follow this instruction <em>to notify the system administrator at Haringey Council immediately</em>. This might clog up the Council's functioning. </p> Sorry, you’ve lost me there L…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-23:844301:Comment:15219632022-12-23T06:47:08.985ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Sorry, you’ve lost me there Livi. I was replying to Jon rather than John.</p>
<p>Sorry, you’ve lost me there Livi. I was replying to Jon rather than John.</p> Jon. The figure seems to hav…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-22:844301:Comment:15217272022-12-22T18:59:08.463ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Jon. The figure seems to have popped up in this post earlier in the thread. Perhaps that person could share how they arrived at it.</p>
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<p>Jon. The figure seems to have popped up in this post earlier in the thread. Perhaps that person could share how they arrived at it.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10917950869?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10917950869?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> I don't pretend to know how m…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-22:844301:Comment:15217212022-12-22T17:50:15.095ZJon Lhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JonLyne
<p>I don't pretend to know how much this would cost, I'm just a guy posting on an internet forum, same as everyone else who is giving their opinions on the cost of this project. </p>
<p>I only asked where the £500k figure came from because I was curious and it seemed to have been plucked out of thin air, yet everyone was quoting it as if it was true. </p>
<p>I don't pretend to know how much this would cost, I'm just a guy posting on an internet forum, same as everyone else who is giving their opinions on the cost of this project. </p>
<p>I only asked where the £500k figure came from because I was curious and it seemed to have been plucked out of thin air, yet everyone was quoting it as if it was true. </p> So what's YOUR estimate ?tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-22:844301:Comment:15217182022-12-22T16:52:40.355ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
<p>So what's YOUR estimate ?</p>
<p>So what's YOUR estimate ?</p> So £500k is the unbudgeted es…tag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-22:844301:Comment:15216142022-12-22T14:51:45.086ZJon Lhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JonLyne
<p>So £500k is the unbudgeted estimate of one HoL user...</p>
<p>So £500k is the unbudgeted estimate of one HoL user...</p>